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The fact is the evidence is all there the problem is its a bought jury.

What about discontinuation of CBT also especially as the model used is used alongside GET as the behavioural intervention to make people exercise more.

Its just incredible that this is going on in parliament at the same time as NICE has appointed a BPS self serving committee for the review that looks like it is going to make things worse. We really need to make NICE aware of the parliamentary issue and how disgusted those MPs ate the status quo...

Michael Sharpe I suggest you read the S4ME forum.

I think they would be more suited to going on Would I Lie To You. However the instant answer would be yes, then the show would just end. Perhaps from that exposure they could get onto Loose Women.

Well if the Lancet and the BMJ plus people like Crawley and Sharpe are anything to go by its seems the countless complaints and even peer reviewed critiques have no effect in terms of worrying the editors over how stupid they will look. They have all looked ridiculous for years in our...

It didn't occur to him to do a better study?

Why would they agree to a re submission and not just refer to the original review and say theres nothing wrong with it? Isn't that what they believe. Or is this "resubmission" just going to be a "vexatious militants are just antiscience and an anti psychiatry minority of lobbyists". I somehow...

I think we need to make a formal complaint to NICE that the committee is heavily stacked. What do we think the BPS crowd would do if it was the other way around? Just sit there and take it? We have already seen the outcome that a spun PR stunt has had on Tovey at Cochrane via the Reuters...

Is there any reason why Carol Carol Monaghan cant be on the committee (as she is an MP) or Mark Vink or Keith Geraghety or David Tuller or any five or six of the academics who signed the Lancet letter out of 100 or so people. The List just goes on and on, what the hell is going on with the...

Didn't Tovey give a quote for the article though stating the current state of play at the time? Tovey confirmed to Reuters that he had made a decision to withdraw the review temporarily, saying this would give the authors time to respond to several points in a complaint which “we felt ...

Wow that's a worrying statement. If thats true how can they be claimed to be independent. Especially worrying when the DWP is part of the government and we have socialised medicine here.

Sorry I am reading CS statement as he applied to be on the committee but was refused and still has constraints placed upon himself on commenting. Past tense Past tense. I applied, not, I have applied. There are at least 8 announcements confirmed for the professional part of the...

Have we even tackled Cochrane over the issue that the Department of Health, the WHO ICD, and NICE all list ME/CFS as a neurological disease, yet Cochrane lists it under common mental disorders. Why do they even need to "consider whether they should change this or not" its bloody obvious they...

Who exactly would be left to vote from this committee then? If most of them are making a living from BPS crap do you think they will abstain from votes on removing CBT and GET? The whole thing is just a joke, a BPS whitewash. Evidence is irrelevant in this process the whole thing is stacked to...

Funny that, when I had sexual desire dreams I always thought the true meaning was that I wanted to go through a tunnel on an actual train.

There really is nothing to update into the NICE guidelines. The only thing they could possibly do is just remove stuff, namely CBT and GET. I really hope this isn't an exercise in adding in LP and some other crap using the BPS crowd providing the "evidence".

Ah I was hoping this was Cochrane giving Larun every opportunity to answer critiques so that when they they have no come back. A pathetic response to the critiques on the record or a victim rant with the new submission leading to full retraction would be a great Xmas present.

Yes so it currently doesn't stand I guess. Didn't Larun have 18 months to come up with answers to the critiques before all of this. Will be fascinating to see what they produce in few weeks.

Thanks for that. I know I am being a pain but what happens after all such evidence is heard then? Who decides what will happen next? How many people decide and what are their names? Are you saying its not this listed committee in this thread who decides via a vote what the outcome of the review...