Abolishing NHS England

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  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    NHS England: Why world's biggest quango is being axed - BBC News
     
  2. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What they really need to do is to axe the purchaser/provider separation the 'internal non-market'. That would save not just millions but billions.
     
  3. Suffolkres

    Suffolkres Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Is that the jolly procurement exercise currently underway in Sufolk and NE Essex!?

    AI says,
    The "internal non-market NHS" refers to the NHS structure before the 1990s, where regional health authorities controlled healthcare provision, and the 2019 NHS Long Term Plan aimed to move away from a market-based system by establishing integrated care systems. '
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  4. Utsikt

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    As a non-brit - what’s that?
     
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    When I said internal non-market I meant the 'Internal Market' invented by Margaret Thatcher's team that isn't market.

    The NHS is divided into 'purchasers' and 'providers' as if there were market forces ensuring quality through competition but ineffective there is never any real competition and most of the time contracts go to bidders who seem cheap but fail to provide things like training.

    The system perpetuates the bogus division between 'primary' and 'secondary' care, which is now a complete anachronism (if it ever made sense). It also perpetuates the myth that hospital care is 'expensive' by averaging out all the cost of all activities, including heart transplantation along with holiday vaccinations.

    Vast sums of money are spent on staff who prepare and send bills between one half of the system and the other. The only possible reason to have such a system is to penny-pinch and penny-pinching is one of the most expensive things you can do within a public service.
     
  6. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Sounds like something some of my economics professors would endorse.. Thank you for explaining!
     
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  7. MrMagoo

    MrMagoo Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Nothing says public sector like centralising a decentralised service, which used to be centralised!
     
  8. Creekside

    Creekside Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Have any "radical overhaul" of a healthcare system provided real benefits to the patients? Alberta has radically restructured provincial healthcare several times over the past few years, and I doubt that patients noticed any improvements.
     
  9. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    In my experience of this world 'radical overhaul/reform' almost always is a cover for cost & service cuts. Rarely ends well.
     
  10. Lou B Lou

    Lou B Lou Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The Guardian 14/3/2025

    '30,000 jobs could go in Labour’s radical overhaul of NHS'

    'Loss of staff will be at least twice as big as thought, as new NHS England chief tells regional boards to cut costs by 50%'

    'The jobs cull from the government’s radical restructuring of the
    NHS will be at least twice as big as previously thought, with other parts of the health service now being downsized too.

    The staff shakeout caused by NHS England’s abolition and unprecedented cost-cutting elsewhere will mean the number of lost posts will soar from the 10,000 expected to between 20,000 and 30,000.'

    'Senior figures running ICBs say the order to halve their running costs will make it impossible for them to undertake the full range of their activities, which include funding vaccination programmes, offering blood pressure checks and improving children’s dental health. ICBs have recently finished reducing their budgets by 20% as part of a previous round of cost-saving.'

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...s-could-go-in-labours-radical-overhaul-of-nhs

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  11. Creekside

    Creekside Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Hey, got to cut costs, so the money can go to the already ridiculously rich.

    Imagine if instead of an income tax brought in to pay for WW2, they'd brought in a wealth tax. The more you have, the higher you pay. The rich could still play their game of "who has more $$$", but the difference between the top and the average would be much smaller, as would be their political power.
     

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