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  1. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yup.. The Associations have not been able to change the label.

    These are just my observations and opinions:
    They do not agree with the label as far as I can tell, but it appears like they’ve chosen to play the game on the government’s terms in order to achieve some influence over the new guidelines etc.

    They’re saying that we have to differentiate between those with PEM (i.e. ME/CFS and some LC), and those without.

    I’ve been trying to argue that the issue isn’t the BPS conclusions, but the BPS framework itself and both the quality and the results of their studies. So we have to challenge that, or they’ll continue to exert influence and cause harm for so many patients.

    Although I can understand why an ME/CFS association prioritises ME/CFS patients.
     
  2. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    No argument there. I didn't mean to be critical of the patient reps, just of the profession's obsession with the 'fatigue' construct.
     
  3. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I didn’t take it as criticism either.

    I’m a bit critical myself because I believe they focus too much on the lack of PEM in the BPS cohorts and not enough on the terrible study designs and results, and the underlying assumptions of the BPS model, both specifically for ME/CFS and in general.
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Extremely weak as usual.
     
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  5. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The Danish ME Association has shared some promising news via their Facebook page. The Danish Health Authority will from now work to strengthen efforts for ME/CFS patients. The work will be based on the two knowledge reports from Defactum and Implement respectively, as well as the latest knowledge in the area and the involvement of national and international experts.

    I am not familiar with the details of this, but the patient organisation seems very happy about it, so assume this is good news. Would be so wonderful with some proper progress for Danish ME patients.

    Official statement from the Danish Health Authority
    https://www.sst.dk/da/nyheder/2025/Vidensafdaekning-af-ME-CFS

    Link to google translation of statement:
    https://www-sst-dk.translate.goog/d..._sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
     
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  6. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Context by Millions Missing Stavanger on Facebook (a Norwegian ME/CFS/LC news page):
    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JLYpvBDPX/?mibextid=wwXIfr

    AI translated:
    Original:
     
  7. CorAnd

    CorAnd Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    ”new recommendations for diagnosis, assessment and treatment of ME in Denmark will be drawn up”

    Very good news. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the recommendations will not say patients need CBT and GET to get better.
     
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  8. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A Danish magazine on health politics has today a critical article about this decision. I'm pleasantly surprised by the detailed knowledge the journalist seems to have of the situation for Danish ME patients and what they are up against. She also mentions NICE guidelines.

    Sundhedspolitisk Tidsskrift Regeringens løfte om ny viden til ME-pasienter resulterer i to rapporter uden konklusioner

    google translation: The government's promise of new knowledge to ME patients results in two reports without conclusions

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    Two years after Minister of Health Sophie Løhde promised a new beginning for patients with ME/CFS, the Danish Health Authority's long-awaited knowledge disclosure is now complete. The result is two reports, which describe the current practice in Denmark and five other countries - but without making specific recommendations for future diagnostics or treatment. That work has to start now.

    The Danish Health Authority writes on its website that it will now "stand for work to strengthen efforts for ME/CFS patients" and that this will be based on the two reports from Defactum and Implement, as well as "the latest knowledge in the area and the involvement of national and international experts".
     
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  9. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    That was a lot better than expected!

    This is not correct for Norway. Our current guidelines recommend GET and CBT. OCFC, COFFI and RN also hold a lot of influence and power.
     
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