Preprint A Systems-Based Hypothesis for ME/CFS: Phosphatidylcholine Deficiency, Insulin Signaling and Noradrenergic Neuron Dysregulation, 2025, Tamara Carnac

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  1. Sly Saint

    Sly Saint Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    A Systems-Based Hypothesis for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS): Phosphatidylcholine Deficiency, Insulin Signaling and Noradrenergic Neuron Dysregulation

    Tamara Carnac

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    Abstract
    Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS) is a debilitating disease characterised by profound fatigue, post-exertional malaise, and multi-systemic dysfunction. This hypothesis proposes that ME/CFS results from noradrenergic neuron dysfunction due to increased neuronal insulin receptor sensitivity, potentially caused by glucocorticoid receptor resistance, high insulin levels, and insulin receptor gene variants. An additional contributing factor is phosphatidylcholine deficiency, which may exacerbate neuronal insulin hypersensitivity and disrupt cellular function. We explore genetic, metabolic, and inflammatory factors that contribute to phosphatidylcholine deficiency and propose a multi-component model of ME/CFS, highlighting the interplay between phosphatidylcholine metabolism, liver dysfunction, neuronal function and inflammatory signaling. Furthermore, we discuss how dysregulated norepinephrine signaling impacts various brain regions and peripheral systems, contributing to the wide-ranging symptomatology of ME/CFS.

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202409.1467/v2
     
  2. Yann04

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    I’m too foggy to understand anything but this looks interesting I think?

    Somewhat sceptical of the strong claims made here:
     
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    Yes, I think there are a number of interesting threads in this hypothesis. And I agree that bringing in MCAS does not help.

    Some of these things like phospholipids and insulin resistance looks if they may be implicated in ME/CFS despite no very obvious reason why they should. My main concern about the mode, as formats metabolic approaches, is the lack of a clear explanation for onset and 'disease memory'. The adaptive immune system provides neat ways to handle those but basic metabolic pathways should just go on being the same unless we have some 'learned epigenetic' input to skew the regulation long term.
     
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    Prefacing with the comment that I've only let the hypotheses be summarized by AI, I have not been able to read the paper yet.

    From what I understand, the main idea is NET expression reduction (due to or exacerbated by increased insulin receptor sensitivity, potentially caused by PC deficiency), leading to elevated extracellular NE which then downstream causes a bunch of problems either directly or indirectly?
    One of the downstream problems being desensitization/downregulation of beta 2 receptors (not a new concept -> also part of Wirth/Scheibenbogen hypothesis, though in their work AAb induced)?

    Could this not be tested quite pragmatically with a2R agonists (reduce NE release), b2R antagonists (re-sensitize b2R over time), ketogenic diet (reduce insulin levels?), cox-2 inhibitors (preserve PC)?
     
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