Living with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome: Experiences of occupational disruption for adults in Australia, 2021, Bartlett et al

Discussion in 'ME/CFS research' started by forestglip, May 8, 2025.

  1. forestglip

    forestglip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,337
    Living with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome: Experiences of occupational disruption for adults in Australia

    Chelsea Bartlett, Julie L Hughes, and Laura Miller

    First published online May 27, 2021


    Introduction
    Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) is a poorly understood, highly stigmatised health condition that has widespread impacts on the individual. Currently, there is limited understanding of the ME/CFS experience from an occupational perspective within Australia. This study aimed to explore the lived experience of ME/CFS and subsequent disruption to occupational participation for adults living in Australia.

    Methods
    Using descriptive case study design, five participants with ME/CFS in Australia completed semi-structured interviews. Reflexive thematic analysis was used to analyse the qualitative data.

    Findings
    Themes identified were organised using the Person-Environment-Occupation model. Participants reported systemic changes to previous levels of physical, cognitive and affective functioning, resulting in significant occupational disruption and poor well-being. Occupational prioritisation was followed by a loss of occupations starting with leisure, then productivity and eventually self-care. Environmental barriers to participation included stigma and misunderstanding of ME/CFS, financial hardship, lack of appropriate health services and strains on personal support networks and relationships.

    Conclusion
    Changes to occupational performance following the onset of ME/CFS caused significant occupational disruption and resulted in limited participation which narrowed over time. There is a clear role for occupational therapy to intervene early to prevent significant negative impacts on occupational participation for people with ME/CFS.

    Link (British Journal of Occupational Therapy) [Paywall]
     
    Last edited: May 9, 2025
    Hutan, Steppinup, oldtimer and 2 others like this.
  2. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,080
    But where is the evidence that occupational therapy can prevent the negative impacts of ME/CFS?
     
    Steppinup, BrightCandle, Sean and 5 others like this.
  3. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,000
    Location:
    Norway
    It’s impressive to manage to ignore the most important barrier - being too sick to be able to work!
     
    Amw66, BrightCandle, Sean and 7 others like this.
  4. alktipping

    alktipping Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,358
    Totally missing out the responsibility of the people who caused the stigmatisation in the first place and then stigmatising it with their own paper .
     
    Amw66, BrightCandle, Sean and 4 others like this.
  5. Holinger

    Holinger Established Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    41
    Location:
    Melbourne Australia
    Exactly.
     
    rvallee, oldtimer and alktipping like this.
  6. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    14,696
    Location:
    Canada
    Yes, but aside from that, I'm sure that Ms Lincoln enjoyed the play.
     
    Yann04, alktipping and SNT Gatchaman like this.
  7. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    14,696
    Location:
    Canada
    None of those are barriers, they are consequences. Of illness, leading to disability. Remove the cause, and you remove the consequences. Leave the cause, and the consequences remain. Addressing the consequences without addressing the cause is pointless. This is not complicated.

    Yet again, the process of trying to turn a simple but hard problem into one that is complex but easy. Nothing works like that, it completely ignores not only the root cause of the occupational limitations, but also the root cause of the blatant stigma and discrimination: medicine itself, and its endless obsession with psychosomatic models leading to describing illness without ever using anything relating to actual illness, or attributing the consequences as independent causes on their owns. They can call those barriers if they want, the idea is the same, and it's operationalized exactly this way.
     
    Amw66, Hutan, Steppinup and 5 others like this.
  8. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights) Staff Member

    Messages:
    6,803
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    This paper is from 2022. Some quotes as paywalled —

     
    Utsikt, Hutan, Steppinup and 2 others like this.
  9. forestglip

    forestglip Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    2,337
    Oh thanks, it popped up in my new research feed but I should have checked the date.

    Edit: I changed to 2021 though because that's what it gives its citation as.
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2025
    Hutan, SNT Gatchaman and alktipping like this.
  10. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    59,231
    Location:
    UK
    Do you know which study this is referring to, @SNT Gatchaman?
    This seems to imply pwME become able to do less because we don't know how to plan and manage our activities, not because we are too sick to do what we used to do. It suggests learning to manage activities requires a therapist, and if we fail to keep going with activities it's because we are poor managers.
    This argument seems back to front and upside down.
     
    Sean, alktipping, Hutan and 5 others like this.
  11. Nightsong

    Nightsong Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    1,162
    Strassheim V, Newton JL and Collins T (2021) Experiences of living with severe Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Myalgic Encephalomyelitis. Healthcare. 9(2): 168: DOI: 10.3390/healthcare9020168
     
    SNT Gatchaman, Hutan and Trish like this.
  12. Andy

    Andy Retired committee member

    Messages:
    23,810
    Location:
    Hampshire, UK
    alktipping, Amw66 and Hutan like this.
  13. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    14,696
    Location:
    Canada
    Every time I read attempts by professionals to sum up what patients are telling them, the only takeaway I ever get out of it is that their professional training adds absolutely nothing to the process, is actually a huge net negative. It removes meaning compared to simply letting us speak for ourselves.

    It has the exact same consequences as the, usually reversed, joke every skilled profession makes about amateurs trying to fix things on their own, how it takes even more time for them (which they bill, so they don't care) because not only do they have to fix the original problem, they also have to undo the botched attempts at fixing it.

    But because of the nature of medical relations, they can never find out about it. They see problems through the lenses of their training, but no one is trained for any of this, to hear things outside of their training and contextualize them based on what we're telling them. So they always end up making everything worse than if they simply let us do the work they're busy not doing.

    They hear the words and they understand some of them but when you ask them to put it in their own words it comes out all distorted, and much worse off than even the worst brain-fogged versions we tell them. Because they can only think in terms of what they, as professionals, can do, regardless of whether it even applies, something that they clearly can't tell. They have hammers, they flatten everything that looks like a nail.

    It's not necessarily bad, but it's always worse than if we just do it ourselves. Always. Never seen it go the other way around. But there is just no way to communicate that, they just don't hear it, or understand any of what we mean, so things actually get worse over time, like LLMs being fed their own outputs, incoherence only ever breeding more incoherence.
     
    Steppinup, Sean, BrightCandle and 3 others like this.
  14. Hutan

    Hutan Moderator Staff Member

    Messages:
    32,496
    Location:
    Aotearoa New Zealand
    I expect that these authors meant well. It is hard to evaluate the paper from the abstract and the quotes (although many readers will only ever read the abstract).

    A qualitative study of just five people with ME/CFS is very limited. Perhaps it was done just as a short study for a Masters or something?

    The abstract does note that the framework was Person-Environment-Occupation, and so when the authors are talking about environmental barriers, I guess they are not discussing the 'person' barriers which presumably include the very considerable barrier of 'being sick'.

    I think this is wrong. The losses typically don't follow such a neat pattern. Some aspects of self-care go early. A loss of employment might allow time for a hobby. It's complicated in situations where there is withdrawal of support by family, for example a spouse leaving, leaving the person with ME/CFS to take care of a household alone, and potentially also take care of children. The person can also see the great gaping hole of good ME/CFS advocacy and feel compelled to contribute to improving that. All these things can increase non-employment burdens at precisely the time when there is decreased capacity.

    I think an occupational therapist could help someone early in the person's illness.

    With hindsight, I would encourage people to do what they can to cut down on work responsibilities early and substantially, so the person has a better chance of doing what they are contracted to do well. That's important for the wellbeing of the person with ME/CFS. It's also important for maintaining good relationships with the employer and for the reputation of the sick person. It keeps options available further down the track. I reckon, struggling on, trying to do the work you did before (and, as I said, potentially having to pick up new obligations, while foregoing the social and personal care activities that sustain a good life) is unlikely to end well.

    If an occupational therapist was able to help a person with ME/CFS understand that, and could help with negotiations with the employer and with obtaining any financial support, then they could make a real difference to some people's ability to remain in the workforce in some way.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2025
    Starlight, Steppinup, Trish and 6 others like this.
  15. Utsikt

    Utsikt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

    Messages:
    3,000
    Location:
    Norway
    Isn’t OT based on the belief that «occupation is good for you»? I can see many ways for that to go wrong as well.

    But if an OT tries to help maximise the function of pwME/CFS through modifying their environment, I think they can do a lot of good.

    And if they understand PEM, they might be suited to understand that avoiding PEM is the only sustainable way to maximise function long term.
     
    Starlight, Steppinup, Trish and 7 others like this.

Share This Page