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I don't think I've seen all the discussions, but I've seen you refer to psychiatric disorders as disorders of "thought" or something along those lines. Relating to "thoughts" and "mind" is barely a concrete category in my opinion. Anxiety to me feels like the mental version of physical pain -...

"Psychiatric" feels to me like an almost useless term. The difference between obsessing about a specific thought (OCD), having little motivation (some forms of depression), yoyoing between high and low mood (bipolar disorder), and seeing things that are not there (schizophrenia) seem about as...

Some discussion has been moved to the following thread: Heathrow incident 8/9/25 claimed to be mass psychogenic illness

Acute Effects of Osteopathic Treatment in Long COVID-19 Patients with Fatigue Symptoms: A Randomized, Controlled Trial Ulrich M. Zissler, Tino Poehlmann, Rainer Gloeckl, Sami Ibrahim, Kerstin Klupsch, Tessa Schneeberger, Inga Jarosch, Andreas Rembert Koczulla [Line breaks added] Background...

Prevalence, Severity, Concomitant Factors, and Natural Trajectory of Insomnia in Patients with Long COVID Jamie Hansel Robinson, Halle Bakir, Alicia Shanti James, Marquita S. Brooks, Stephen J. Thomas, Kristine L. Lokken Background/Objective Insomnia is a clinically important symptom in Long...

Much more rare than ME/CFS apparently (and opposite sex bias): I saw a few papers that were case reports of sudden onset OCD following COVID. Maybe COVID-related PANS is too rare for anything other assorted case reports. SARS-CoV-2 related paediatric acute-onset neuropsychiatric syndrome...

PANS has to be related to ME/CFS and long COVID, right? Sudden onset of a brain-related condition shortly after any of a number of different infections? The AI summary says it can occur after COVID infection. If so, I'm surprised I haven't really seen it mentioned in any long COVID papers as...

Effect of low dose naltrexone for long covid: a systematic review Oyungerel Byambasuren, Tiffany J Atkins, Shaira Baptista, Paul Glasziou, Samantha Chakraborty [Line breaks added] Background Long covid is a debilitating chronic condition, and the effect of low dose naltrexone (LDN) on its...

Is the idea that symptom improvement would require antibodies to be stuck to CD38, or that just one of these events is enough to interrupt a positive feedback loop for improvement even after antibodies are gone? Is the former (antibodies stay stuck) possible with the length of time (> year) that...

Oh, I didn't see before that the cyclo trial only looked at those two specific alleles that were significant in the Lande study. That explains why it's the exact same alleles.

Hormonal Fluctuations and Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome in Women: The Role of Menstrual Cycle and Menopause Mehak Khan, Sidra Anees, Muhammad Muthar Anees, Komal Khalid Chaudhry, Syeda Marium Rashid Zaidi, Vishan Das, Rimal Rashid [Line breaks added] Abstract Myalgic...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoimmune_hemolytic_anemia There's an autoimmune disease for hemoglobin carrying cells, but I think anemia would be expected, which I don't think we have evidence for in ME/CFS.

Yep, at least. I wonder if there's a smaller number than 24M where they would still do the whole trial, just with fewer participants. Maybe they've already reached that smaller number since they're talking about starting treatment in September.

Here's what they said they were at on August 26 (about two weeks ago): https://www.me-foreningen.no/me-fondet-over-1-million-og-er-pa-na-facebook/ (Text from auto-translated version)

Thanks. Am I understanding right then that even if covid specific plasma cells were injected into the brain but not actually specific to anything there, you'd still see the bands show up from their antibodies?

Doesn't MS require the antibodies to be specific to myelin? If they are just regular old COVID antibodies, you wouldn't expect myelin to be destroyed. Maybe just antibodies gumming up the works, but not actually binding well to anything. Sorry, I don't know what oligoclonal bands terminology...

Yes, not the antibody distribution independently, but the plasma cells get deposited in the brain during an infection. They spew out antibody there, potentially causing issues with neurons.

It's possible. I can't construct a good argument that satisfyingly refutes that, just intuition that may very well be wrong.

I agree. The specifics of your paper were somewhat over my head. But maybe nothing to do with the specific type of antibody, but instead something about location? Is it possible maybe the normal covid or EBV antibody LLPCs somehow find their way into the brain and set up camp after an infection...

Ok, yeah, rituximab might have been nothing, a wrong way to try to replicate cyclo. But I think it is likely that whatever explanation dara offers, it will have to explain why cyclo causes a response as well. Yes, it was possibly an unrelated placebo effect, as we've seen with lots of...