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Yes, I did the survey. It is about something rather different but it gives one the opportunity to raise some questions about why NICE feel the need to give recommendations when there is no good evidence base.

Let the infighting begin!

Something I have flagged up to ForwardME and maybe something to Tweet: Defenders of CBT and GET claim that healthcare workers know these work for some patients. But the PACE results indicate that if there is any real effect it would be too small to distinguish from natural recovery in routine...

So now we know that the College of Physicians is involved. That is disappointing but at least it means that the debate will reach people who understand trials. I guess by their experts they may mean L T-Stokes.

Breaking news: scientists have discovered that dinosaurs can use email!

No that was not the case.

Not that I am aware of. I wonder if this is being hyped by someone along the chain? A huge amount of effort at NICE went into being politically correct and doing everything right for this guideline review. To say they were bamboozled would be pretty implausible.

It's the Colleges that matter (RSM is a club). The psychiatrists may well complain but their competing interest would be obvious. Those who have heard of Wessely, Sharpe and White will already know their links to PACE. The GPs might complain but in a way they are not 'experts' here. Iamnot...

I think O'Neill's logic maybe was to get a positive spin out before SMC pour treacle over everything.

An interesting question is exactly which physicians might come out of the woodwork and criticise NICE on this. So far few if any physicians have expressed concern - perhaps with the exceptions of Turner-Stokes and Garner. Perhaps it is high time the College did take a position. Maybe some...

Sean said he was furious about it and ensured that it was put right for the e-version. Yes, I wonder why the other commentators were anonymous? Like me they were commenting on something already 'known'?

That looks like a screenshot of the reply from Sharpe on the Times e-version. If anyone wants to tweet response to Sharpe's: Someone should tell Professor Jonathan... I would love to say: If it was well known that there is no other measure why did PACE set up actometry and abandon it when a...

I am not sure I have seethe whole article? All I have seen is the screenshot on the previous thread page. Is there more? I do not have access.

I don't think I can be bothered. I have complained to O'Neill.

It looks as if an editor has gerrymandered this. It is opaque as to what my comment refers to.

But I don't think that is the case @dave30th . I push back on the theoretical framework because it is applied without adequate corroboration from evidence - in fact the evidence makes it implausible. Whether or not it involves psychology is not relevant. There is also a lot of confusion over...

Now, now, you wouldn't want to be considered Dutchist would you? These people are obviously right. When I read "Learning to feel tired..." through my exteroception Hey presto, I feel fatigue coming on, cos I've read this stuff before . It isn't associative though, it just makes me feel tired...

Yes, with @Peter Trewhitt , I think exercise is activity done for the sake of doing it - that's about all. There seems to be a simple absurdity in relation to exercise for ME. Someone with ME is more or less by definition someone who cannot, or struggles to, manage the activities needed for the...

That is how I have seen services run by people like Amolok Bansal and Luis Nacul. I appreciate that these may be the exceptions but I don't see it being a good idea to shut everything down. Because that simply would not happen because nobody would have any incentive to start. If you advertised...

I wouldn't get too excited about an odd report like that.