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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    The loop I refer to is the loop of a vaguely defined/described disease that - when we try to get more specific and realistic about the symptoms (which today pretty much are how the disease is defined) and potential causes - we are referred back to those ill-chosen phrases that define us for most...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    And there's the loop. I'm suggesting breaking out of the loop, simply with some rewording. All within the confines of Science. I wouldn't want it any other way. No one here would. But what I'm hearing smacks disturbingly similar to that EBM gimmick that ultimately sunk beneath cliche status...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    It's how that concept is qualified that I am trying to call attention to. Most of us really knows the descriptions of ME/CFS are at best anemic. Pretty much the only good thing that has happened definitionally over the past 20 or so years is the recent inclusion of PEM as a salient feature - but...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    Dementors? :) We've lots of smart advocates over the years, and I applaud their efforts. We still shoulder the burden of crap descriptions of ME/CFS that your average clinician will see. We need to draw a line in the sand, and I say lets start with Descriptors.
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    Wording. If you're asking me to fix it now, I no longer have the skill. But I know that how we are currently conveying things is a slow endless loop. I know wording like fatigue and unrefreshing sleep and malaise and brain fog and lingering etc are strikingly inadequate and misleading and...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    The present set can be, and frequently is, interpreted as "the aches and pains of every day life". These facts fail to convey degree. The present wording describing symtoms - in lieu of biomarkers - usually works against imparting a sense of the catastrophic degree to which pwME are afflicted...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    Were that only true. Nods. Neither is crafting definitions that are ambiguous or, worse, misleading. Lingering fatigue anyone?
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    Well, yes. But isn't this somewhat misleading? Perhaps "a history of known infection", or "symptomatic infection" may be more accurate - and more suggestive that that 50-70% figure may be deceptive. There's a lot of diseases that can be asymptomatic for years. If you're unfortunate enough to...
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    “Dr. Ken Friedman and Dr. David Maughan – ME/CFS and Long Haul Covid Similarities and Ramifications” podcast

    I should have known there'd be a thread here. :) They're including a lot. I suppose for them it's good to cover as many bases as possible. :rolleyes: So, the obvious question: Why post "active"? Post acute seems much more appropriate and less assumptive.
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    National Institute of Public Health Québec (Institut national de santé publique du Québec – INSPQ) report on MCS and responses

    What an odd report. Is it a Science report, or a History report? Isn't medical science constantly reinventing aspects of itself because its history is laden with errors? Flat-out whopper mistakes? What if the old studies were biased or based on flawed inferences, etc.? Look at some cancers. At...
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    Plasma metabolomics reveals disrupted response and recovery following maximal exercise in ME/CFS, Arnaud Germain, Maureen R. Hanson et al, 2022

    That is pretty much my experience as well. Except cognitive can last longer if I've concentrated/focused longer or thought harder, e.g. employed more complex reasoning. But it's pretty quick. Emotion triggers can be even faster and can last longer. Physical typically are delayed about 48 hours...
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    Plasma metabolomics reveals disrupted response and recovery following maximal exercise in ME/CFS, Arnaud Germain, Maureen R. Hanson et al, 2022

    I am confused by the exertion=exercise assumption. I think I understand their goal: provoke PEM through amplified exertion, and demonstrate that through metabolite comparisons. That sounds reasonable. But how would metabolites come into PEM caused through mental exertion? If PEM=PEM, then...
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    Plasma metabolomics reveals disrupted response and recovery following maximal exercise in ME/CFS, Arnaud Germain, Maureen R. Hanson et al, 2022

    I've done the 2-day CPET. Here is my problem with it: Unless they bring that bike and mask etc to your house, many of us will be crashing when we do the first CPET. I was. Simply traveling to the research site levied a toll. So I did not say anything, but I know my baseline could not possibly...
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    Dr Karl Morten - UK researcher based at Oxford University

    "This will involve our current clinical ME/CFS, Chronic Lyme, and Long Covid research project aiming to identify possible causal factors." I'm unclear why some of these researchers like to include Lyme when looking at ME/CFS. More to the point, I'd like to suggest to a possible causal factor...
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    The Pharmaceutical Journal: Opening the black box: the researchers trying to find treatments for long COVID

    Fatigue, balance, headaches...they are all "lingering". Lingering like a scent in the air, or a gaze, or a kiss. It's all so... romantic. And implicitly temporary. Researchers on all sides of the endeavor, please stop contributing to the problem with careless wording. These aren't novels you're...
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    Decreased Expression of the CD57 Molecule in T Lymphocytes of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, 2019, Espinosa and Urra

    Has any body heard anything about CD57 levels rising with some viruses (e.g EBV and HIV) and declining with certain bacteria (e,g, Lyme and mycoplasma pneumoniae)? I wonder how reliable CD57 is as a marker. Unfortunately, I've seen nothing convincing either proving its utility or disproving it...
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    The biology of coronavirus COVID-19 - including research and treatments

    @Samuel , my bad. No worries. I am tone deaf when it comes to the written word. Which is why I limit what I post anymore.
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    The biology of coronavirus COVID-19 - including research and treatments

    ? I do similarly. So odd. I can only assume you only assume as to why. Sorry to diverge from thread topic. When your teeth fracture and crumble you are more inclined to flaunt protocol.
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