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  1. Hutan

    Comparing Idiopathic Chronic Fatigue and ME/CFS: Response to 2-day CPET, two papers males & females, 2021, Van Campen & Visser

    Yes, but what is planned and what is reported are both not necessarily what actually happened in every instance. And it's difficult to standardise effective encouragement - disinterested encouragement that is delivered according to a schedule in a flat fashion, or ambivalent encouragement when...
  2. Hutan

    In progress: Measuring Health in Children with CFS/ME: Refinement, application and evaluation of new PROM (PEACH) in routine practice, Crawley et al

    For those interested in the questions @Snowdrop poses - 'What is going on and how is it getting done in the NIHR?', we have this thread: Transparency, the MRC and NIHR (UK) I think it's important that funders of the continuous stream of rubbish research from BPS proponents are challenged on...
  3. Hutan

    In progress: Fatigue - Reducing its Effects through individualised support Episodes in Inflammatory Arthritis (FREE-IA): A Feasibility Study.., Dures

    No objective outcomes for their planned 'definitive RCT'. The study result is in safe hands.
  4. Hutan

    Adverse outcomes in trials of graded exercise therapy for adult patients with chronic fatigue syndrome, 2021, White & Etherington

    Yes, and the issue of the six-minute walking test being only partially an objective test. There's plenty of scope for making an extra effort, or not.
  5. Hutan

    In progress: Measuring Health in Children with CFS/ME: Refinement, application and evaluation of new PROM (PEACH) in routine practice, Crawley et al

    Every time I see something new from Crawley, I think 'please, please, (Crawley) just go away'. I don't think the lack of a well developed PROM is the main barrier to improving treatment. If Crawley really wants to improve treatment of young people with ME/CFS, a useful thing she could do would...
  6. Hutan

    Over which physiological abnormalities in ME/CFS is there a scientific consensus about?

    Yes, the pre-test level of fatigue is an important thing to think about. Unfortunately, I don't think many researchers have thought about it enough. The reality of trials with respect to controlling confounding variables is, I think, often quite different to what we might hope for. Before...
  7. Hutan

    Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

    Was anyone else struck by how similar his video appeared to @Adam pwme's videos in the opening sequences? The music, the text, the clip of someone talking. The similarity broke down really quickly of course, because whereas Adam was able to use a whole range of experts to make points, in...
  8. Hutan

    Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

    I wonder if it ever crossed his mind that, if he stuck to evidence rather than flights of fancy, he could, as an Infectious Diseases doctor have said 'post-viral fatigue syndrome following a viral infection is common. Most people will recover spontaneously in 6 months, and nearly everyone will...
  9. Hutan

    Preprint: The Rise And Fall Of The Wessely School, 2021, Marks

    The International Consensus Criteria? I think Chapter 2, which describes MUS and ME/CFS could use some editing. It gets tangled up in whether ME and CFS are different, and the details of the criteria. I don't think a lot of the information is really needed to address the topic indicated in...
  10. Hutan

    Preprint: The Rise And Fall Of The Wessely School, 2021, Marks

    I should add that I appreciate David Marks' contribution to the challenging of PACE and MUS in general. And his effort in putting this document together - I am sure it will make a difference. Although this sentence about the prevalence of MUS is true (ie one source does give that estimate), I...
  11. Hutan

    Preprint: The Rise And Fall Of The Wessely School, 2021, Marks

    Actually Ron Davis is chair of OMF's Scientific Advisory Board, which is different to chairing OMF. wholistic > holistic Some particularly nice bits (I'm not very far into it yet) Interesting use of the 'Wessely School' - perhaps that is a good term to use as we consider his legacy.
  12. Hutan

    A person-centred test of multidimensional perfectionism and health in people with chronic fatigue syndrome versus healthy controls, 2021, Sirois et al

    Here one thread talking about it: Psychology & Health: Perfectionism and beliefs about emotions in adolescents with chronic fatigue syndrome and their parents (2019) Chalder et al. The Child and Adolescent Perfectionism Scale (Flett et al., 2016) is a 22-item scale, which measures two factors...
  13. Hutan

    A person-centred test of multidimensional perfectionism and health in people with chronic fatigue syndrome versus healthy controls, 2021, Sirois et al

    This from another paper on perfectionism in ME/CFS: They group the questions that are supposed to identify perfectionism into little categories to create more opportunities for finding something that is different in people with ME/CFS. In that quote that I've given, they have taken the reaching...
  14. Hutan

    Immunological dysfunction persists for 8 months following initial mild-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection, 2021, Phetsouphanh et al

    An Australian paper. Authors: Chansavath Phetsouphanh 1*&, David Darley 2*, Anette Howe 1, C. Mee Ling Munier 1, Sheila K Patel 3, Jenifer A Juno 4, Louise M Burrell 3, Stephen J Kent 4,5, Gregory J Dore 1,2, Anthony D Kelleher 1,2†& and Gail Matthews 1,2†& The Kirby institute...
  15. Hutan

    Comparing Idiopathic Chronic Fatigue and ME/CFS: Response to 2-day CPET, two papers males & females, 2021, Van Campen & Visser

    Are you perhaps thinking of the target training heart rate that Workwell suggest people with ME/CFS routinely keep their heart rate under, so as to avoid PEM? I don't think I've seen any good evidence yet for the idea that keeping your heart rate below a percentage, e.g. 60% of maximum heart...
  16. Hutan

    A catalog of tens of thousands of viruses from human metagenomes reveals hidden associations with chronic diseases, 2021, Tisza and Buck

    Interesting paper from a couple of researchers from the Laboratory of Cellular Oncology, National Cancer Institute, NIH, Bethesda. I've copied the bits I found most interesting and understandable (which was not the methodology). It sounds like substantial advances are being made in techniques...
  17. Hutan

    Over which physiological abnormalities in ME/CFS is there a scientific consensus about?

    It's an interesting question as to whether 100% of people with ME/CFS show the drop in performance at VT. We don't know if a person with ME/CFS could show that drop in a paired CPET, but another week, perhaps when well rested, not show that drop. Or if some people need to do more than 8...
  18. Hutan

    A person-centred test of multidimensional perfectionism and health in people with chronic fatigue syndrome versus healthy controls, 2021, Sirois et al

    There's been a shift over time, away from 'people with CFS are all perfectionists' and even 'people with CFS all have perfectionist mothers' to 'people with CFS who are perfectionists are sicker and more depressed than those who aren't'. I guess that's a result of studies finding, despite the...
  19. Hutan

    Comparing Idiopathic Chronic Fatigue and ME/CFS: Response to 2-day CPET, two papers males & females, 2021, Van Campen & Visser

    It could be, as in my case I think, that the researchers applied a significant amount of caution with people with ME/CFS and/or were happy when data supportive of their hypothesis was achieved, and stopped ME/CFS participants when they got to RER=1.1, rather than letting them continue on for a...
  20. Hutan

    Comparing Idiopathic Chronic Fatigue and ME/CFS: Response to 2-day CPET, two papers males & females, 2021, Van Campen & Visser

    On that thread, @wdb mentions a study that had people with ME/CFS and controls do paired CPETS (Lien et al, 2019) Abnormal blood lactate accumulation during repeated exercise testing in myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome The chart below is comparable to the ones from the Van...
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