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OK so done the button-press rate for the warm up rounds. Sorted by button-press rate for the hard ones of the warm-ups. Only 4 HVs had less than 4.6446 rate (EDITED to update this to be more specific rate needed to complete a hard task) but 10 ME-CFS were beneath this rate. But other than...

I'm guessing that on the highlighting of ME-CFS H that means that button-press rate isn't correlated to eg SF-36 physical function. As effort-preference is defined by choice then if that button-press rate stands in the warm-up it 'isn't that' causing (the button-press rate) there? Good...

interesting on ME-CFS H

❤️ that is interesting and straight.

OK so I now realise that it isn't a correlation at all on the hand-grip vs PHTC for HVs , it actually says it on the graph that p is way off being significant and I've now looked more closely to see the dots in blue are all over the place. So the EEfRT test was unvalidated in ME/CFS (as...

and another thing with him using the graph he has for the proportion of hard task choices vs time/trial. Well of course it would look like that. Because the way the game works means that the ones who do pick 70% hard choices only get to trial 39 for example (HVH and HVP), so necessarily by that...

and I'm aware there is likely to be more rolled into the 'metric' proportion of hard task choices than it seems, but ME-CFS % hard task choices range from 16.98-52.5%, whereas HVs range from 25.49 - 77.14 % hard task choices. SO I don't know where the straight line has come from for the HVs on...

the easy task graph doesn't ring true either after task 40 (I haven't checked the earlier ones). By task 45 ME-CFS range is 4.69-6.5 and HV is 4.0-6.6, and the trials 41-44 have consistently had a few HVs with button-presses in the 4s. at trial 44 HV O had the slowest button-press with 3...

I don't know precisely what is in the probability of choosing hard task graph but: after task 40 I'm not sure that curve is correct. By task 50 very few participants are still playing. At 40-44 it is the full lot of ME-CFS but only 7 HV. and you have the repeat pattern for those 4 trials of...

Gosh with those quotes you've picked out I have just realised how divisive the choice of phrasing is 'avoiding the hard task' for example. Anyway, on the following quote: Isn't that non-sequitur ? If the ME-CFS group were able to manage the easy task why note the decline in button-pressing...

from the thread on reddit yesterday: energy conservation

We all have daily due to our conditions at various severities invidious choices. It is like a horribly real game of 'would you rather drink drain water or eat ten leaves?' living with ME - the most common of which is: 'do you end up potentially more disabled (and certainly ill for a long time)...

hmm I think we need to be careful. I need to look at the grip test stuff but surely trying to suggest that not being able to grip as long is a preference of any kind should require a lot of evidence. Otherwise it is plain disability-bigotry, certainly if the word 'preference' is anywhere near...

it is like using 'no offence' and expecting that means the person it is being said to must be over-sensitive if they find what is said next inappropriate. Am I correct in thinking that the brain regions were taken when (B) - during the grip test? and then they've linked the grip test with...

agreed. along with: I wonder if the audience they are really playing to is indicated by this, or are they oblivious to how these collections of this type of response are coming across as very Michael Winner 'calm down dear, it's only a commercial' (except that one is half tongue-in-cheek)...

OK I'm trying to figure out if there is anything in button-press rate. As a sketchy by eye estimate (looking at the people who failed a bit then comparing their button-press for fails vs not) I reckon that - for hard the button-press rate to complete is around 4.7 - for easy it is around 4.3...

ok I've made paler and greyer both the blue background and the pinks - let me know. I'm saving the hex numbers

Would it be ridiculous to suggest that really getting cognitive psychologists involved on this sort of thing seems sensible? I say this because they are big on heuristics, touch on decision-making and tasks involving capability but also are interested in the task itself. I'm thinking eg...

I've been musing one way then another on this HV F issue. To seem like I'm side-stepping it a bit (and I agree it was comparison with HVs not 'only HVs who don't exhibit x') it could be worth going at this one being a problem from two angles: - having an HV F in your data wouldn't be an issue...

Ooh on that point I know that Ohmann's modified EEfRT version uses an unlimited number of clicks approach in: Examining the reliability and validity of two versions of the Effort-Expenditure for Rewards Task (EEfRT) | PLOS ONE I don't know if there are other trials that have done similar and...