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Oh and PS (distracted brain as I was writing) I managed to not square the circle on my point about calculating it being about '13' hards you'd select if you were going for 'only high probability' If you look at this group, the only one in the middle: 'ME-CFS I' that doesn't have very long...

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Agreed, and I have all sorts of scenarios I often think of to put HVs in a similar 'situation' symptom-wise and on a even keel. My little tired brain is now wondering and intrigued by the rather simple idea of how a bunch of HVs would look on this tool if you simply had said the hard task...

Hmm. It is an important one. Definitely something for us to have a think on what to do/is possible. Is it possible to get a sense of the data via a curve or anything in the mean time just to get a feel for the shape of it (I know the range is pretty large for ME-CFS vs HV, but don't know more...

I think that Treadway's response is certainly another point to discuss, I didn't know if there is some reading between the lines, @Murph might provide further context, but it is interesting. I'm aware that eg @andrewkq and @EndME have mentioned contacting him so slightly wary of how we might...

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Agreed. My gut feeling is that, given this could be considered a psychometric measure somewhat then there is an argument to be made picking on that 85% of peak click rate that has been cited in other studies as a calibration. The very fact that the authors have tried to use the argument of...

I wonder whether there is a point to be added that whilst there is a whatever on exclusion of HV F in general, when they are talking about button-pressing and fatigue etc there is a bit of an issue with them having excluded. Not from the analysis, but as a comparator. HV F is basically only...

I've just had another quick look and with the cut off/split at trial 17 and then finishing at 34 then: - trial 18-24 is as follows: low, medium (high value), low, medium ($2.50), low, low - and most people wouldn't play hard for low probability, many not medium. - trial 1-17 has 6 high...

Oh hurrah! thank you. If I did know this existed then I'd probably forgotten it over the years. That seems far more sensible, I did have a sense of it seeming like there must have been an easier way I was missing! :)

Agreed. SO to focus on reduction in click rate but then only compare 'the rate' between HV and ME-CFS seems disingenuous. If we assume that rate has to be 5 or above to complete a task, such a reduction is more significant if your starting ability is exactly 5 vs it being either 6 or 4. It...

Yes I know when I looked through a number of papers (Ohmann's in particular) there is a lot of split-half analysis. Which tends to be possible because they used 'sets' of trials. One thing we kind of need to know is the order of presentation and take a look at whether it is 'setted' and the...

I'm hoping that I'm not getting too obscure here. But I think the ME-CFS break into 3 groups. We've the group that are less impacted by the hard task capability issue (but we don't know that it is 85% of their max, so who knows if it is) and maybe are therefore able to play as normal - but...

That 33% if pretty key when you are thinking about those with disability. I did another table since yesterday out of curiosity on this (and also looking at button press and choice time at individual level as was thinking similarly to @Karen Kirke ) because if you are struggling to complete as...

and @Hutan when you look at the individual level strategies you can see that some of the people in the middle-capability zone of ME-CFS seem to be trying to 'actively manage' their capability-issue/limitations by spreading out their choice of hards OR it could just be luck of the draw that is...

I'm conking out atm (not due to this, everything 'in general') a bit, so if you do have a way of looking at it then I will return to it and make those changes when I'm at a good moment if that's OK? Hopefully that won't be too long before I can return to fiddling with it, just need a change of...

and by the way, I thought I had better clarify that I keep using the term 'handicap' in the context of golf and its usage - rather than being tactless about disability in general (although I think in this context it is a useful term to note that we can have a whole illness with lots of things...

I think we've an underlying causal thing - the hard task being too difficult - which 'explains' behaviour in those with ME going into what looks like '3 groups'. But it isn't fatigue. That probably does layer in on top of it in additional ways. Fatiguability might be there as part of the...

I agree, however I think if the point were more specifically worded there is something of an important note to be made that (perhaps because they were functionedly fixed into thinking ME-CFS is 'fatigue') ME-CFS can certainly mean physical disabilities will/should be present in a cohort that...

I might well be missing it but in windows there isn't any of that? SO this is what you see when eg conditional formatting and clicking through to choose colour for fill. Same thing when you click on fill. Is there a way of saving colours because you get the usual (and it has been like this...