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I know, this has done the rounds several times before, but it's like one of those standard jokes - you still can't help laughing at it every time you hear it. The notion of "too extreme" is the usual double speak of course. Too extreme to allow fabrication of results is what it really amounted to.

I can appreciate that existing ME/CFS clinics will have lot of inertia in terms of clinical approach, and that cutting them loose and starting again might seem like a good thing. In an ideal world that may be right, but we have to pragmatically accept the fact that things are far from ideal. If...

Maybe The Times will also have something lined up and ready to go also.

The sweet irony is that the more these folk malign NICE and its guideline process, the more they confirm to NICE and others what people have been saying for years about them, but not believed. Assuming (and hoping very sincerely!) that the final guideline is at least as good as the draft...

I have no problem with negative results being properly published, they all should. Progressively reduces the search area and wasted effort.

Excellent, as always.

Presumably there are figures somewhere showing if that is, or is not, the case?

When you get to 100 it's probably every half hour.

Just one more thought, if you need to renew and decide to do it online (only possible if you hold valid UK passport), be sure to do it at the official UK government website, https://www.gov.uk/renew-driving-licence, so you only pay he standard fee of £14. I noticed there are other "helpful"...

Whilst getting an online car insurance quote the other day, I was a bit shocked when the process highlighted that my diving licence was out of date and due for renewal by some 10 months. I had not received any reminder, and the address on my licence is correct. Further investigation showed that...

If not then similar articles of @dave30th have, I think, exposed the scientifically and morally derelict reasoning that if all you can come up with is detrimental cr*p, then just gloss over the fact it is detrimental cr*p, and apply it to patients anyway.

I'd read right across that several times before spotting the superfluous "be".

It is also notable that the 3 resignations were all from the very specific BPS contingent. If there were something fundamentally broken with the NICE process, then I think the resignations would have been from a wider group.

If you invent an I've-got-lots-and-lots-of-everything-in-me soup, you could then very easily draw a pretty chart showing all the many things from the various food groups that your soup has in it.

It's as if the BPS gang have this insatiable craving to constantly justify their existence, and in the process totally undermine their own efforts.

Interesting. Yes, just in case any "filtering" occurs in the process of NICE's archiving. If we have something ourselves, if any issues in the future we would have the confidence of knowing what really was.

Rats and ships maybe?

No doubt the BPS folk remain convinced that a course of CBT and a generous helping of empathy would have done the trick

It is not directly shown in the "Our services" drop down, as they are fairly high level categories. You go to the "Integrated services" section, and it is in there. Also you can get to it via the A-Z route they offer.

And PACE presumed a cause from the outset (no investigation deemed necessary!), a flawed presumption of course. For example, this pile of tosh from the PACE GET therapists' manual: