An audit of 12 cases of long COVID following the lightning process intervention examining benefits and harms, 2025, Arroll

Good policy.
Yes, exactly.

 

Reminds me of Wyller in Norway. Horrible situations.

 

@Hutan
If you write about the paper, you might also want to attack the claim of ‘independence’ in the review. If I understand correctly, there is only one LP-instructor in NZ, Jenny Oliver. You’ve written about their connection here:

Edit: I finished reading the thread. There are many more connections from your comments.

https://www.s4me.info/threads/rnzcg...gue-syndrome-myalgic-encephalomyelitis.35342/

 

Does it contravene any rules that there are no conflicts of interest stated and yet Bruce Arroll has been publicly promoting LP for several years & has a relationship with the LP practitioner?

 

Probably depends what kind of relationship.

 

To my comment on PubPeer, I'm thinking of adding this. I also didn't yet include it, but they say "two complaints about therapist approaches", but as far as I can tell from the "qualitative study", Reme 2012, the negative comments were generally gathered from multiple participants, not necessarily just those two who did not improve.

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Regarding prior evidence, the paper says this about the NICE guidelines:

This mischaracterizes and understates the reasoning provided by NICE [2] for recommending not to use the LP:

 

One of the last comments here - they promoted LP for LC together.
https://www.s4me.info/threads/rnzcg...ndrome-myalgic-encephalomyelitis.35342/page-3

 

Collaborative, co-authored letters, co-presenters at conferences etc so I guess that would constitute a professional relationship.
It has been suggested but not verified as far as I know, that BA has done the LP or trained in it & if so there is a possibility that was with Jenny Oliver.

 

It’s paywalled. Do you have access?

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/12Gaj1Pf3F2/

ME Association post re this paper

 

I'm confused about how a therapist might have limited interpersonal skills.

The authors are sounding a little desperate.

 

The senior author wrote the following letter to the BMJ in 2019: What keeps corporate power hidden from doctors? —

 

Bruce and Jenny are planning on presenting the results together:
https://www.goodfellowunit.org/symp...ess-treatment-long-covid-all-will-be-revealed

In the bio, she presents herself as a Practitioner in Psychoneuroimmunology.

Jenny and Bruce have also written in defence of LP before:
https://www.publish.csiro.au/HC/fulltext/HC22105

 

Might want to use his quotes against him just for kicks

 

Sent a private message.

 

Financial support and sponsorship
This study was funded by the University of Auckland Research Fund for Professor Bruce Arroll.

It would be interesting to find out if the funding described above is a discretionary pot allocated to Bruce Arroll, or if he had to make an application specific to this “study”. If the latter, is the application publicly available or would it be possible to get a copy of the application via an OIA request?

 

Wrote this to add to the above bit about harms:

Edit: I'd also add this:

 

Indeed it's somewhat funny that the conclusion calls for randomized controlled trials when they there is no possibility of randomization since it's heavily selected.

Among 500 other giant red flags.