Does anyone here get worse in relation to stress?

I find stress is a bit of a woolly concept as there are various types of stress.

Having been ill for a long time now I've considered that this issue can also be looked at from the other side.

Usually a question like this is meant to elicit times when stress made the symptoms worse but it could also be that a worsening of the illness can cause us to experience stress as we try to cope. So that it is the illness affecting our experience not the other way round.
 
What I mean by stress is the activation of the HPA axis, this could be mental, psychological or physical stress.
 
robertw27 said:
What I mean by stress is the activation of the HPA axis, this could be mental, psychological or physical stress.
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Is there a little status light that comes on when the HPA axis is activated? Or an app?

Not being a hospital lab I, and I would imagine many others, don't have access to immediate testing to determine what you are asking for, other than by guesswork.
 
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Wonko said:
Is there a little status light that comes on when the HPA axis is activated? Or an app?

Not being a hospital lab I, and I would imagine many others, don't have access to immediate testing to determine what you are asking for, other than by guesswork.

I also have no idea if any planetary alignments, or the direction a specific extinct tortoise walked in the minute before it's death, have any effect on my health.

The specific question you asked in the thread title is chicken and egg (although logic would dicated it must have been the egg - relevance to this - none), no one can know what came first. Am I ill because I'm stressed or am I stressed because I'm ill? You've been told that this is largely unknowable but still you persist in the more specific statement I have quoted.

Why do you persist in asking questions that very, very, few can answer, and using the lack of knowledge on those specific issues as confirmation of your theory?
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Well I already know I am right about this I worked this out a while ago, by stimulating the adrenal gland two things should happen if my theory is true. The first is that there should be a very strong reaction during and after this test and the second is that the overall cortisol levels should not add up after stimulation. Both of these occurrences happened during the the synthetic testing I did on myself, for this to be a coincidence is so very unlikely. When I talk about the HPA axis you have to have a general understating of how it works and how certain events will stimulate it. What I am trying to say is you do not need testing in order to understand if your symptoms get worse in relation to the activation of the HPA axis. More so, I am not trying to confirm my theory as I already know I am right I am simply trying to make the fact that I am right public knowledge, as doing so will help out a fair amount. I have no idea how do go about this and I am failing miserably.
 
I am talking about an auto immune condition where the immune system is targeting the stress hormones, completely different.
 
robertw27 said:
I am talking about an auto immune condition where the immune system is targeting the stress hormones, completely different.
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Snowdrop said:
The HPA axis theory of our illness is nothing new. It has been discussed at length elsewhere and there are some threads here as well.

https://www.s4me.info/threads/medsc...riously-2019-by-john-watson.8486/#post-149155

https://www.s4me.info/threads/netwo...-findings-newton-et-al-2019.8770/#post-155053
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you can read this if you want, it discusses what I am talking about in brief.
 

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The main symptoms of this illness of Course is fatigue, hence the name of the condition.
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No.

Your statement is incorrect.

This is a ME forum, ME is currently confligated with CFS for political reasons. In some parts of the world it is known as ME/CFS.

Fatigue is not the main symptom, if it exists at all it is relatively minor.

Given the lack of understanding of what ME actually is how can a solution you claim to have found for CF, even if, and it's a very big if, you're correct, possibly have any relevance to PwME?
 
wiki:

Adrenaline, also known as epinephrine, is a hormone, neurotransmitter, and medication.

It plays an important role in the fight-or-flight response by increasing blood flow to muscles, output of the heart, pupil dilation response, and blood sugar level.[5][6] It does this by binding to alpha and beta receptors.

Every emotional response has a behavioral component, an autonomic component, and a hormonal component.

The hormonal component includes the release of adrenaline, an adrenomedullary response that occurs in response to stress and that is controlled by the sympathetic nervous system. The major emotion studied in relation to adrenaline is fear.

In an experiment, subjects who were injected with adrenaline expressed more negative and fewer positive facial expressions to fear films compared to a control group. These subjects also reported a more intense fear from the films and greater mean intensity of negative memories than control subjects.[42] The findings from this study demonstrate that there are learned associations between negative feelings and levels of adrenaline. Overall, the greater amount of adrenaline is positively correlated with an arousal state of negative feelings.
 
roller* said:
wiki:

Adrenaline, also known as epinephrine, is a hormone, neurotransmitter, and medication.

It plays an important role in the fight-or-flight response by increasing blood flow to muscles, output of the heart, pupil dilation response, and blood sugar level.[5][6] It does this by binding to alpha and beta receptors.

Every emotional response has a behavioral component, an autonomic component, and a hormonal component.

The hormonal component includes the release of adrenaline, an adrenomedullary response that occurs in response to stress and that is controlled by the sympathetic nervous system. The major emotion studied in relation to adrenaline is fear.

In an experiment, subjects who were injected with adrenaline expressed more negative and fewer positive facial expressions to fear films compared to a control group. These subjects also reported a more intense fear from the films and greater mean intensity of negative memories than control subjects.[42] The findings from this study demonstrate that there are learned associations between negative feelings and levels of adrenaline. Overall, the greater amount of adrenaline is positively correlated with an arousal state of negative feelings.
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Ok, I do not get worse in relation to the release of epinephrine, how do i know this? Because you can generally feel the sensation of epinephrine being released and my symptoms do not worsen during this process.
 
but it DOES have impact, the epinephrine, and its THERE with stress
(for what i understand, and thats limited)

so you just dont "feel" it with stress (regular one) ?
when can you feel it ?

(i wouldnt think, it makes necessarily "worse"... but seems, the wiki suggests that)
 
robertw27 said:
Ok, I do not get worse in relation to the release of epinephrine, how do i know this? Because you can generally feel the sensation of epinephrine being released and my symptoms do not worsen during this process.
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this may also depend on the amount th
roller* said:
but it DOES have impact, the epinephrine, and its THERE with stress
(for what i understand, and thats limited)

so you just dont "feel" it ? :nerd:
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Defiantly changes throughout the body occur during this release, how ever these changes have no impact on my CFS symptoms. In fact if anything epinephrine reduces symptoms. Are you talking more about the release of epinephrine happening in accordance of the release of cortisol?
 
Depends on how you interpret "in relation to stress". Exertion causes stress so anyone who experiences PEM have an increase of symptoms after stress. Whether there's direct relation between the stress and the symptoms , I guess noone knows for sure yet.
 
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