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News about Long Covid including its relationship to ME/CFS 2020 to 2021

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by Hip, Jan 21, 2020.

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  1. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Slightly off-topic, but there's really no hope when this is the representation of a governing political party in a major world economy. (Not that it hasn't been on display in other domains over the last five years.)
    https://twitter.com/user/status/1451142195986280450
     
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  2. Arnie Pye

    Arnie Pye Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I'm not going to defend this post, but I just thought it might interest someone.

    Title : Post-COVID Persistent Symptoms By Dr Eric Berg (who is a chiropractor not a doctor of medicine)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_adWYnBnSo


     
  3. Sly Saint

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    Don't give Covid-19 long-haulers the silent treatment - STAT

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/22/dont-give-covid-19-long-haulers-the-silent-treatment/
     
  4. Sean

    Sean Moderator Staff Member

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    This is interesting:
     
  5. rvallee

    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  6. Wonko

    Wonko Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Life would be so much simple if I was a mouse.

    And shorter of course, ending with brain removal and dissection (hopefully not vivisection).

    But mice appear to have cures for everything, literally everything, that can go wrong with a mouse, apart from brain removal of course.
     
  7. Kalliope

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    Medical Express Study finds association between long COVID symptoms and altered oral microbiome

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    Study co-author Dr. Bradley, assistant professor of emergency medicine, explained that it's not clear what the differences seen in the microbiome of long COVID patients reflect. "We believe that the oral microbiome influences how an individual's immune system responds to COVID and so a pro-inflammatory microbiome could lead to prolonged symptoms even after the virus is cleared. It's also possible that in some individuals, COVID drives a change in the microbiome toward a pro-inflammatory profile, which leads to prolonged symptoms."

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    There has been a growing concern that long COVID patients resemble patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. These two conditions share some of the same symptoms, especially fatigue and cognitive impairment. Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome is a condition characterized by chronic fatigue, lasting at least six months, that impairs one's ability to perform daily activities and typically has additional impairments in memory and concentration. This syndrome is also linked closely to chronic inflammation as the driver of these patients' symptoms.

    This post has been copied to the thread "Inflammation-type dysbiosis of the oral microbiome associates with the duration of COVID-19 symptoms and long-COVID, 2021, Haran et al", and we ask any discussion on the study is done in that thread.
     
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  8. Haveyoutriedyoga

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    The Oral hygiene theory has some interest elsewhere too:

    "The specific guidance for COVID-19 patients is based on the research of Dr Graham Lloyd-Jones, consultant radiologist at Salisbury Hospital, who earlier this year published a scientific hypothesis in the Journal of Oral Medicine and Dental Research relating to the development of the lung disease in COVID-19."

    "Dr Lloyd-Jones explains: "The lung disease of COVID-19 is in the blood vessels, not in the airways. The virus enters the nose and replicates in the mouth. A single teaspoon of saliva contains 500 million copies of the virus. The virus could easily leak from your saliva into the blood vessels of the mouth, especially if you have gum disease or bleeding gums."

    https://www.salisbury.nhs.uk/news-m...cellence-in-mouth-care-for-covid-19-patients/

    Cardiff University Research
    Brief Report: The Virucidal Efficacy of Oral Rinse Components Against SARS-CoV-2 In Vitro. Statkute et al. Biorxiv. 18th November 2020.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.13.381079v2.full

    The scientific hypothesis
    The COVID-19 pathway: A proposed oral-vascular-pulmonary route of SARS-CoV-2 infection and the importance of oral healthcare measures. G Lloyd-Jones et al. Journal of Oral Medicine and Dental Research. April 20, 2021. https://www.genesispub.org/resource/images/articles/pdf117.pdf

    The original theory
    First published by Dr Graham Lloyd-Jones, February 20, 2020
    https://www.radiologymasterclass.co.uk/tutorials/covid-19/covid-19-discussion-2
     
  9. rvallee

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    https://twitter.com/user/status/1451805788641628163
     
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    In-Depth: Researchers find similarities between long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome

    https://www.10news.com/news/in-dept...tween-long-covid-and-chronic-fatigue-syndrome

    eta: on youtube ABC 10 News
    Researchers find similarities between long COVID and chronic fatigue syndrome
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  12. rvallee

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    In another disappointing reminder of how little interest there is for women's health in medicine, this has been obvious early on, very commonly reported in LC forums, yet barely recorded or studied at all. You'd almost think this is a taboo subject.


    Long Covid and menopause - the important role of hormones in Long Covid must be considered
    https://www.maturitas.org/article/S0378-5122(21)00174-2/fulltext

    A total of 460 women responded. 48% of women had been experiencing symptoms for more than 6 months. 50% of women reported that their periods had stopped or changed since their infection and 80% stated that their periods had not returned to how they were before their Covid infection.

    Interestingly, 62% of responders reported that their symptoms of Long Covid were worse on the days before their periods which is when hormone levels are usually at their lowest. The vast majority of women, 70%, had thought that some of their Long Covid symptoms could be a result of either their perimenopause or menopause. However, 84% of women had never been asked by a healthcare professional about whether or not they could be perimenopausal or menopausal. They were given no advise about treatment of their perimenopause or menopause.​

    Of course the same is true with ME, I see the same reports. The NIH housed ME in the women's health institute for many years and didn't even bother researching this. So many wasted opportunities.

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  13. rvallee

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    I was unsure about the directness of the MEAction campaign, how it's pretty much prescriptive and may be badly received in a "who are you to tell us how to deal with this?" way but see a lot of praise and thanks in hindsight, pretty much for how simple it is. It's not that simple and it's not all of it but this is still the best we have for now, even 18+ months into it.

    This is one but frankly I see many regularly. Kudos on this, sometimes it's OK to be bold when you are on the right side of history, even if it irks some at first.

    https://twitter.com/user/status/1453058599178153991
     
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    "The other study from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found similar biological markers present in both long COVID patients and people with ME/CFS.

    It identified four "biological abnormalities" in ME/CFS patients and people with acute long COVID: redox imbalance, systemic inflammation and neuroinflammation, an impaired ability to generate adenosine triphosphate, and a general hypometabolic state."

    Hang on, I thought we didn't have biomarkers for ME?
     
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    Transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/26/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-meghan-orourke.html?

    It might be a pain to access, so

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