Stat News: NIH must address the twin crises of long Covid and ME/CFS — together

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  1. SNT Gatchaman

    SNT Gatchaman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Lipkin and Ansell

    The RECOVER Initiative offers an historic opportunity to transform post-viral illness research

    https://www.statnews.com/2025/02/04/recover-initiative-nih-long-covid-me-cfs-post-viral-illness

     
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    A good article at the right time can make a difference. It's a good article, and I guess we'll see if it is the right time to be calling on the NIH to 'seize this moment to lead'. The people at the NIH might possibly be thinking about other things right now.

    But, when I see this coming from Lipkin, I feel, ... how to say it? I recall the times when we have been frustrated to hear that he has samples that could be analysed, but it never seemed to be a priority. Sure, funds probably weren't easy to get, but Lipkin has an enormous profile, he has clout. I can't help but feel that if finding out about ME/CFS had been really important to him, he would have progressed his work on ME/CFS somehow and helped change opinions in the NIH.

    Is it churlish of me to expect more of a man who has at least done something, and has bothered to co-author this article? Probably. And I'm not well informed, perhaps he has done lots behind the scenes, perhaps we would be in an even worse position without his work.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily make this assumption.
     
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    Neither would I. It's just that progress on some of the projects in his lab has seemed to be very slow, with a lot of funds going to building a biobank of samples.

    It would be good to hear from people who actually know - what is the state of Lipkin's ME/CFS work now?
     
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    The ME Association has covered the news

    America: ‘Virus Hunter’ Ian Lipkin calls for Long Covid and ME/CFS to be studied together
    February 6, 2025

    “ME/CFS and long Covid share profound similarities, including post-exertional malaise, cognitive dysfunction, sleep abnormalities, and immune dysregulation. These two disorders overlap in biological mechanisms, including neuroinflammation, mitochondrial dysfunction, and impaired autonomic regulation…”

    Professor Ian Lipkin, Columbia University

    https://meassociation.org.uk/2025/0...long-covid-and-me-cfs-to-be-studied-together/
     
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    Including ME/CFS within RECOVER’s scope is not just an opportunity — it’s an imperative.

    Hard agree. Even if ME/CFS & LC turn out not to be exactly the same, they clearly have a huge overlap, and resources will be much more effectively spent studying them together.
     
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    Actually, reading the article again, I think it is not clear.

    It doesn't define Long Covid, or recognise that formal definitions include everything but the kitchen sink. As in, they allow any persistent symptom and so cover overt tissue damage, damage caused by ventilation, ME/CFS compliant constellations of syndromes, collections of symptoms that are a bit like ME/CFS but not quite, new onset health conditions that might not even have much to do with the Covid-19 infection.

    The article talks about Long Covid and ME/CFS as separate conditions, separate disorders. It suggests shared biological mechanisms between Long Covid and ME/CFS. But there will not be a shared biological mechanism between ventilation injury and ME/CFS. And some Long Covid actually is ME/CFS - people meet the diagnostic criteria and we can't attribute their illness to any known pathology.

    The article seems to be calling for pre-Covid-19 ME/CFS cohorts to be included in Long Covid trials.

    I think more important than that is a call for stratification of Long Covid cohorts - "Long Covid" is way too broad. I would like to see a recognition that ME/CFS is actually a subset of Long Covid. If a study was of post-Covid-19 ME/CFS, carefully characterised, I think that is good enough. If researchers find something with that group, there will be time enough to do the study in a pre-Covid-19 ME/CFS cohort.

    I think the article just adds to the confusion.
     
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    I agree. The whole thing is underwhelming.
    'High profile' biomedical science seems increasingly just to be re-arranging the verbal deckchairs on a ship whose crew don't really know where they are supposed to be going.

    Lipkin's group provided some useful negative findings on viruses and cytokines about ten years ago. That is all that I am aware of.
     
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    Can anyone share the full article?
     
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