Suggestions of good sources on the background to the ME saga, PACE, etc. up to the new NICE guideline

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  1. Haveyoutriedyoga

    Haveyoutriedyoga Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    This thread has been split from the NICE guideline discussion thread.

    I have a friend interested in doing a PhD in knowledge mobilisation, (lack of) information transparency, power and (lack of) coproduction in the UK healthcare sector.

    What is the best one stop shop that explains the ME saga, ie PACE, NICE guidelines dev, instances where people have tried to suppress knowledge and evidence, subversion, complaints about too much reliance on patient input, etc?

    I know there are a number of blogs, I'm just not sure where to start. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Kitty Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I think @Jonathan Edwards might still be writing it... :whistle:
     
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    David Tuller's work on virology blog and elsewhere?
     
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    Good to see that there's interest in the topic.

    Not sure if suppressing evidence is a major part of it though. I think it's more a distortion of evidence and knowledge and denigrating of patients' justified criticism. With The Lancet and the BMJ major medical journals contributed to this distortion of evidence and denigration of criticism, as did Cochrane.

    Faulkner (see @Ebb Tide 's post above) I think is the best source to start for understanding the wider political influence.

    Regarding the denigration of patients' criticism the discussion here is also relevant:

    https://www.s4me.info/threads/the-i...-coffi-2018-katz-et-al.2013/page-2#post-36407

    and following posts.

    Brain-fogged so apologies if off-topic.

    Will post some resources I find useful later.

    Edited / wording.
     
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    While we're waiting for that and in addition to David Tuller's series on virology blog and George Faulkner's work, a couple of Jonathan Edwards' writings since 2017 are a good account, including submissions, e.g. to the Scottish Parliament if I remember correctly .

    Wasn't there a website you started to set up a while ago, @Jonathan Edwards ?
     
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    There is also Margaret Williams back catalogue http://www.margaretwilliams.me/
    This might be a good starting point http://www.margaretwilliams.me/2001/what-is-me-what-is-cfs.pdf
    or Corporate Collusion
     
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    If you're looking for something newly written and short, just to get the headlines of the story, George Monbiot's article was a pretty great summary:

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-covid-when-will-ministers-take-it-seriously
     
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    Haveyoutriedyoga Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks all, these are really useful, and thanks Trish for creating a post!

    If I find the power to curate a summary for the friend in question then I'll share it here.
     
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