What's in a name? [about functional neurological disorder (FND)], 2020, Tolchin et al

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  1. Andy

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    Paywall, https://www.epilepsybehavior.com/article/S1525-5050(20)30543-6/fulltext
    Sci hub, unable to access at time of posting.
     
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    How about a new one. Idiopathic seizures. At least that makes it clear they haven't a clue what's causing them.
     
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    The proliferation of names for disorders assumed to be "functional" will continue as long as doctors want to keep their true beliefs about a patient a secret (from the patient), and don't want to spend any money finding out the truth.
     
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    It's true that it's hard to keep track of so many lies. But there is no confusion because most papers and sources plainly state that you mean conversion disorder, a concept of no scientific merit whatsoever.

    Not "well-intentioned", however. You waive that entirely once you decide it is OK to blatantly lie in violation of informed, hell even basic, consent and duty of candor. When you make a lie your starting point, there's nothing but more lying ahead.
     
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    Of course, there is no possibility that the endless stream of new names and concepts is just a rhetorical smokescreen to avoid having to admit they don't know what they are doing, and the serious harm this inflicts on patients.

    No sirree, couldn't possibly be that. :grumpy:
     
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    Common sense has no place in modern medicine, Trish. It would mean admitting some things are medically unexplained because of the profession not the patients.
     
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    At the risk of being an ICD-11 bore:

    Idiopathic seizures is an ICD term already coded for in ICD-11, in association with epilepsy and benign neonatal seizures in the Neurology chapter:


    Chapter 08 Diseases of the nervous system

    https://icd.who.int/dev11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/entity/1397288146/mms/unspecified

    8A6Z Epilepsy or seizures, unspecified

    All Index Terms
    • Epilepsy or seizures, unspecified
    • Cerebral seizures
    • Seizure disorder
    • seizure disorder, so described
    • epilepsy NOS
    • epileptiform attack
    • idiopathic seizure disorder
    • seizure activity
    • seizure syndrome
    • congenital seizure disorder NOS
    • epileptic fit
    • epileptic attack
    • morbus caducus
    • cerebral epilepsy
    • epileptic seizure
    • epileptic convulsions
    • epilepsia
    • cerebral or cortical dysrhythmia
    • idiopathic epileptic
    • epileptic syndrome NOS

    and

    https://icd.who.int/dev11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/entity/1397288146/mms/other

    8A6Y Other specified epilepsy or seizures

    All Index Terms
    • Other specified epilepsy or seizures
    • Benign focal seizures of adolescence
      • BFSA - [benign focal seizures of adolescence]
    • Postictal fugue in epilepsy
    • Postictal amnesia in epilepsy
    • Benign idiopathic neonatal seizures
    • Benign partial epilepsy of infancy with complex partial seizures
    • Benign partial epilepsy with secondarily generalized seizures in infancy


    These "Y" and "Z" coded "Residual categories" are backward mapped to ICD-10's G40 code.


    Whereas, ICD-11's:

    6B60.4 Dissociative neurological symptom disorder, with non-epileptic seizures

    is classified under Chapter 06 Mental, behavioural or neurodevelopmental disorders

    https://icd.who.int/dev11/l-m/en#/http://id.who.int/icd/entity/1620688958

    and backward mapped to ICD-10's F44.5.


    For ICD-11, the various Dissociative neurological symptom disorder subclasses are secondary parented to the Disorders of the nervous system chapter.


    In classification systems and in clinical practice, the term "idiopathic" is used in several ways, as is the term "functional" - which is one of the reasons why the WHO/ICD Revision did not choose to use the DSM-5 term "Functional neurological symptom disorder" as the revised term for the ICD-10 category block:

    F44 Dissociative [conversion] disorders
     
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