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They have been fed that line by the BPS club.

Wessely is a political animal from start to finish.

In case anybody ever thinks we are ever being too hard on Wessely: He was doing this before any trials had been done assessing his claims.

Asking (honest) questions about PTSD in ME/CFS, including where it lies in the causal chain, would require them to also ask why patients have PTSD in the first place. The (honest) answers to which they are unlikely to find comforting or flattering, and which are likely to seriously diminish...

Hmm. Could have started better.

Perhaps also in part being masked by necessities of day to day survival. I have sometimes wondered if we have gone beyond conventional PTSD, into a qualitatively different place, where it almost doesn't matter, and is just not particularly relevant any more. Just a thought.

Does vanilla ice cream count as greens? Asking for a friend, of course.

And a vast sense of moral superiority.

And sometimes even when there is a diagnosis.

negotiation of an acceptable management plan, Does the patient have the right to withdraw from 'negotiations', without being penalised?

Once in power political beliefs tend to become, um, flexible.

Indeed. It just proves how broken and politicised the whole system has become. Where are the technical/funding panels, the ethical oversight committees, and peer-reviewers/editors on this? Why are they waving this shit through in the first place? Why is nobody holding them to account? How is...

I have been getting both Covid and standard flu vaccines here (Australia; Covid since they first became available, and flu since my late 50s), and have not encountered any problems getting them and for free.

I will follow my usual plan of relying on the Summary for Dummies from those members who do get it. :bucktooth: :D

Especially when a doctor becomes the patient, as they know just how their colleagues view such patients and talk about them behind closed doors, and how rough a ride it is going to be. Indeed, they are likely to know such prejudice very well as the chances are they held those views too, prior...

Mission creep doesn't even begin to cover what these guys are doing. It is a naked wholesale power grab over all of medicine. They want to be at the door when a patient first turns up at a clinic, making sure the whole process is corrupted from the point of triage all the way to the grave.

Literally the whole point of science, including medical science, is to figure out causal pathways – what causes what, and how. Every tool and technique science uses is to serve that goal. Trying to treat something without a clear understanding of relationship between cause and effect is worse...

Call them the same back. What the likes of Garner are doing is straight hardcore political activism, with all the trappings. Psychosomatics, as espoused by the likes of Garner, is basically a cult, and a very nasty disturbing insidious one.

Unduly influence. Otherwise, an excellent comment. Build a house. A simple concept, but requiring a whole truckload of skills, resources, time, and energy to do a decent job of it.

DARVO, par excellence, indeed. Edward Shorter. Essentially the same sentiments and pseudo arguments and shameless perversions of the truth have been expressed by many of the leading lights in the BPS school over the years. But they usually have more political smarts and hide it much better...