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Well it sounds like they are all still engaging with each other, so maybe things aren't as bad as they appeared during that heated full and frank exchange.

It's twitter.

I've just realised that if I click on the little bird I am able to read the whole exchange :).

I'm unable to read the full exchange which led to this, so am not sure of the context or what it means exactly. And when that presumption has been thoroughly rebutted and years have passed, do we still have to accept lessons in humility?

I agree completely. Complain about your physical ailments too soon, or too often, and there seems to be no shortage of people around to call you a bit of a wimp, a little flower, etc etc, either at the time, or for years afterwards.

It should say this: The top version only makes sense if: 1. All women are rich, or 2. All woman are poor, or 3. the word "patients" only applies to men, and women are just women and not to be referred to as "patients", and low-income patients are not real men. Don't mention it, and I'm not...

Just seen this: Oh good, because the evidence is all there.

An excellent and very welcome analysis from @Mike Godwin. I'm having a little trouble with the last bit though: Eminently sensible. But it's been thirty years, many have lost half their lives due to these heroes of their own stories, and they have not given an inch, but rather stuck the boot in...

I wonder whether Mr Godwin should be asked if he has another law relating to derailing a debate by comparing those who disagree with you to militant terrorists? Either with or without reference to Afghanistan.

And perhaps a critique of that - especially the one which pointed that it's a revealing choice of anology because with scientific trials you are not supposed to predetermined the destination and make adjustments in the steering to make sure it gets there. Can't remember who wrote it, but it was...

How marvellous to see Simon Wessely wading in to try and stop his mate Michael Sharpe making a complete fool of himself, only to shoot himself in the foot even more spectacularly when his smug remarks end up ensuring that criticism of PACE is given more publicity, including to his old friends...

What a great example of transparency, engagement and taking feedback on board that was @adambeyoncelowe :thumbup:. More in one post that we've had from AfME in three months since they joined.

I'm sorry but you clearly don't understand homeopathy. It's now time to give you two oceans instead of one.

That's not a very specific reference - "please see the internet"! The reaction of the body to what? That's exactly what the PACE authors say - have you read the paper? If you have and you still have any questions, you obviously didn't read it properly, so read it again.

Trolling. And given his track record he's in no position to define what is logical and what isn't. If the trial had never happened the denial of treatment & support would not have been the same. The precise purpose of the trial was to make it easier to enable such policies. Otherwise, why else...

Indeed. I was of course making the mistake of assuming that most people are rational, whilst forgetting that there seem to be many who are only self-interested, corrupt or just batshit crazy. This is similar to the point I was trying to make earlier, whilst referring to paediatricians ...

There is sufficient evidence to assert that there is not sufficient evidence to assert that the condition is mental or psychogenic. If anyone wants to claim that the condition is mental or psychogenic, or that there even is such a thing as a psychogenic illness, then it is up to them to provide...

Some might find this helpful: Or for a bit more detail, this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07wgmfd

I must say, anything I receive anonymously goes straight into the bin.

Without commenting on the letter itself, I'm not quite sure I agree with this point. Paediatricians, doctors and even researchers often seem as likely to respond positively to dodgy research as sufferers and senders of letters themselves. Following my appointment and diagnosis at the university...