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  1. Hutan

    How mycobacterium tuberculosis infection could lead to the increasing risks of CFS and the potential immunological effects (...), 2022, Yang et al

    Yeah, tuberculosis destroys lung tissue and one reference I saw said that 50% of patients had permanent pulmonary dysfunction. So, not breathing well due to lung damage, maybe coupled with years of smoking and old age - it's going to look pretty much like a vaguely defined chronic fatigue...
  2. Hutan

    Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

    My apologies for the hypocrisy, with me having just posted - as I've just put on my moderator hat in response to reports ... This topic of 'patients behaving badly, or not, and the impact of such behaviour' is off-topic for the thread. It has also been thoroughly discussed on this thread...
  3. Hutan

    Paul Garner on Long Covid and ME/CFS - BMJ articles and other media.

    The problem is that the bar for things being considered 'asshole-y by others' can be very low. For many people, just politely disagreeing with them is unacceptable, or politely pointing out the flaws in their arguments. Submitting FOIs has been seen as egregiously asshole-y by some. Of course...
  4. Hutan

    News from Aotearoa/New Zealand and the Pacific Islands

    For the benefit of those outside NZ, we have the Accident Compensation Corporation that pays compensation to anyone who has an accident. The idea was to stop a situation with costly litigation resulting in unfair outcomes. So, the government is responsible for the compensation, and industries...
  5. Hutan

    BPS attempts at psychologizing Long Covid

    Just further on that, in case anyone wanted to respond to Essen University: from the BMJ: Mental disorders are highly prevalent in Germany They found that "the 12 month prevalence for any mental disorder was 31%" in this random sample of German adults. PTSD was not assessed. So, it's actually...
  6. Hutan

    BPS attempts at psychologizing Long Covid

    Or logic. It gets very hard to use the prevalence of psych diagnoses as suggesting something about the 100% when you realise that probably 20% of the entire adult population of Germany have a prior psych diagnosis these days. e.g. for depression alone
  7. Hutan

    News from Aotearoa/New Zealand and the Pacific Islands

    Ha, perhaps not have a medical advisor who promotes the idea that there is an ME/CFS personality or that singing in the shower is a useful treatment? Perhaps not promote courses for people with ME/CFS that have them examine their personality for flaws that can be fixed? Perhaps not embark on...
  8. Hutan

    The order of magnitude is off — ME/CFS is a human rights issue

    Thank you Samuel. I'd love to think that campaigning to have our human rights recognised would bear fruit. The ongoing stream of terrible papers suggesting it is our personalities and lack of will that are at fault do seem to amount to hate speech, and have similar negative impacts as hate...
  9. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    For what it's worth - I looked at my old lab tests. There are 9 measures of my total CO2/bicarbonate, a measure of CO2 in the blood. They all have been within normal range, tending to the high side. The one time it was below normal range, my CRP was abnormally high, even for me, so perhaps...
  10. Hutan

    ME/CFS SKeptic: A new blog series on the dark history of psychosomatic medicine

    And it continues. Cancer patients continue to die, convinced that what they really need to do to get better is to reform their personality. I know of one person in my extended family, a mother of 5 boys, who eschewed biological therapies for her cancer in favour of therapy to fix the flaws in...
  11. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    Yes. And I'm saying that that is a problem. They found some people had low end tidal Co2 levels when lying down, before doing the lean test. Yes, it's possible that the whole getting to the clinic and just being there is stressful, but why the variability between visits, with levels being low...
  12. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    There are various versions, generally involving a mask and some with 'nasal prongs' which sound anxiety inducing but are, I think soft plastic that goes just inside the nostrils. The fact that some people didn't have low end tidal CO2 on their first two visits, but did have on their third...
  13. Hutan

    New NICE guideline on chronic fatigue syndrome: more ideology than science? 2022, Flottorp et al

    A number of posts have been moved to Funding of ME/CFS research in the UK
  14. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    Yeah, just thinking this over, it's hard to feel as though anyone involved in this study is approaching the problem of ME/CFS with any sense of urgency. See this, from the paper: So, it's not like it is some early exploratory work. (I checked a couple of times to make sure that I had the...
  15. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    Another thing that struck me about the results was the inconsistency. Abnormalities of any sort were only found in 60% of the patients. But, of course, that does not necessarily mean that patients aren't experiencing the abnormalities when they have PEM. Three of the 29 patents who came in...
  16. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    (Apologies, I'm thinking aloud here, in writing. Just trying to understand. I think there have been a number of studies related to hypocapnia in ME/CFS but I'm not sure what we should make of them yet.) So the measurement was CO2 in the breath. Hypocapnia is actually low CO2 in the blood...
  17. Hutan

    Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al

    There's some 2019 posts about Natelson and Hypocapnia here March 11th CDC Conference Call Also the Systrom paper is relevant Unexplained exertional intolerance associated with impaired systemic oxygen extraction - 2019, by Melamed, Systrom et al
  18. Hutan

    The process of CBT for CFS: Which changes in perpetuating cognitions and behaviour are related to a reduction in fatigue?, 2013, Knoop et al.

    Just in case you were wondering what the scales in the two charts mean, here's the detail from the paper. Note, for the Objective Activity, that the chart has a truncated y axis - the oldest trick in the book to make non-significant differences look more different. Only baseline levels of...
  19. Hutan

    The process of CBT for CFS: Which changes in perpetuating cognitions and behaviour are related to a reduction in fatigue?, 2013, Knoop et al.

    Yes, that is quite a result. So, the 'fast responders' thought they were doing increasing amounts of activity after treatment, but actually they were doing pretty much the same amount of activity throughout. Which is why we need actimeters to be used in these sorts of trials.
  20. Hutan

    Paul Cheney seminar on oxygen toxicity in ME/CFS

    There's a thread for it here: Physiological assessment of orthostatic intolerance in chronic fatigue syndrome, 2022, Natelson et al
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