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So they don't feel any moral obligation to help the disabled, is my cynical take on it.

The output of the psychosomatic advocates tells us far more about what is going on in their minds than it does in the minds of their patients.

And ME in particular would be one of the worst possible choices you could make to get attention and (alleged) secondary gains.

So, how does that work with the whole 'ignore your symptoms and push on through' thing?

+1 :thumbsup: Getting it more openly discussed and debated, and on the record, is a critical step.

Seems relevant:

@adambeyoncelowe Outstanding. Thank you. One for the history books. :thumbup::hug: That last sentence might be ambiguous to the uninformed reader. Suggested: But when only unblinded subjective outcome measures are used then the results become much less reliable. (I would argue strongly that...

Thank you for that excellent thread. :hug:

A clear and concise description of the 'benefits' of most psycho-behavioural therapies.

Such certainty in the face of so much uncertainty. :grumpy:

This is worth saying again:

Didn't see any mention of ME/CFS in there.

Shouldn't take long.

I am encouraged by the amount of overt push back by both patients and clinicians/researchers that seems to be happening against FND. The Goldilocks theory of therapeutic failure. Finding the 'right balance', which can only be done with the careful guiding therapeutic hand of a experienced and...

I look forward to having ME without actually having ME. :whistle: And always has been. They have never let go of this idea, even though more than a century later they have failed to get it on a solid footing that allows accurate diagnosis and safe effective treatments. It still revolves around...

I agree that there is a real opportunity here for medical science to learn from differences between those who fully recover from Covid and those who don't. Whether they are up to learning those lessons in a good way is a different story, and sadly one with less hope if recent history is...

I don't think that we are 'entitled' to. But do think that trying to enforce the requirement of justified belief too vigorously has very serious technical problems and socio-political dangers.

Acceptance and commitment therapy for Muscle Disease: a randomised controlled trial Trudie Chalder, King's College London, UK Yeah, sure it is.

PACE did use objective (or relatively objective) outcome measures, like the step test, 6 minute walk test, and employment and welfare use. Problem is they did not use them as primary outcome measures, the results were negative, and they have done everything they can to bury those results...

Yep. Where is the body of robust trials testing these contributing factors?