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Thanks. It sounds similar though not quite the same.

Thanks, though I have kind of got used to it, and usually I feel bad like this just before there is a slight overall improvement. It does depend on the phase of the illness and then within that the time of day, but then all my symptoms do. I am at least fortunate that I don't get the horrible...

No, it's not a referred pain. I can't feel any pain anywhere. But I have the sensation that I am in pain.

Anyone get indeterminate pain? As some may know, I am much more greatly affected cognitively than in terms of physical activity. My illness goes through phases. It's kind of a very slow spiral of improvement. In one phase I feel as though I am in great pain, except I can't feel the pain. The...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2784694

Full title: Adverse event recording failed to reflect potential harms: a review of trial protocols of behavioral, lifestyle and psychological therapy interventions...

It is good that PACE is being described as discredited, and thanks to David for his work in helping ensure that it has been. I am less positive than David about this comment: We've heard that before: 'ME is real... but so are all illnesses and just because it can be treated with psychotherapy...

This is a really good article about the research they are doing. It's about old age, but I think many here would recognize a lot of it. https://theconversation.com/loneliness-loss-and-regret-what-getting-old-really-feels-like-new-study-157731?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=bylinetwitterbutton

100% (As they say now.)

Jonathan, thanks for all your work with these journalists.

It is just my interpretation. It's based on the people involved and especially Tracey Brown who had very close ties with Michael Hanlon and was in my view the prime mover behind the Sunday Times article about harassment. They refused to support Alem Matthees and they have also previously broken...

I think these lines by SAS are fascinating. My own interpretation is as follows, given their political and sociological views: 1. Support for current model now untenable given criticism of obvious scientific flaws by people whom they would normally look to as allies. Role of Trevor Butterworth...

Knowing how thorough Tom is, I wouldn't be surprised if he has indeed read the 2011 paper.

I did actually start to poke around in this with FOIs. I'll dig them out in next couple of days.

He was scornful of Chalder's response.

It is good, I think. He is very sympathetic. He also has a very good reputation as a science writer for coverage of crap studies. It's interesting it's in UnHerd as it's a bit 'contrarian' and a lot of readers will instinctively be inclined to Spike crowd. Though not Tom, I should add. It is...

Yes, Tom Chivers.

These are all good responses. Thank you. It is too late now for this article as he was finishing it when I asked. However, I do think it's useful to have the background on this, so am going to change the thread title.

I think he's going to say that it came after 'patient pressure' and the 'The strong message from stakeholders' is enough of a source for him to justify it. Thanks again Andy and Sarah.

Thanks. That helps with the history.