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The evil deeds committed by PACE authors are obviously not on the same level as that of Nazi war criminals (mass murder), but are evil deeds nonetheless. ME/CFS patients are a marginalized group that is seen as unworthy of receiving medical care and support and the same rights and respct...

He is not looking for a battle or he would be here debating with us.

Does anyone think this could be in any way interpreted as being against science? Only if you have problems distinguishing between junk science and proper science. Wait... that's exactly his problem isn't it? Mr Jameson is also doing a fine job eroding his credibility as "published researcher" ;).

I'm simplifying because I'm exhausted at the moment and can't properly think things through. There must be some consequences. That's the basic thought.

@Jonathan Edwards is this effective advocacy?

I'm not worried. The PACE authors know CBT/GET doesn't work. And no one else seems really interested in CBT/GET except perhaps Crawley, who is doing a fine job eroding her own credibility. However I believe that unless the PACE authors don't face consequences or the UK adresses its junk science...

The other day Sharpe also tweeted something which suggested he is concerned with making sure that patients don't offload all responsibilities for getting better on the treating doctor. Which reveals a moralistic view of us patients. So CBT/GET to him may be valuable because it separates...

I like the expression banality of evil. https://aeon.co/ideas/what-did-hannah-arendt-really-mean-by-the-banality-of-evil I still subscribe to the theory that the BPSers know exactly what they are doing and simply have no empathy or consider patients unworthy of anything but exploitation and...

If therapeutic lie is a thing, why not therapeutic outcome switching and p-hacking? If a lie is good and helps the patient, then bigger lies must help even more. Maybe that explains why there is so much BS in this field. I'm having surreal feelings again. Surely this cannot be real.

Do they mean promising good results while giving a placebo?

I just want to say that if the consequence of admitting any "worries, phobias, obsessions, compulsions" could quite plausibly be another round of lobotomy, I would swear to God that I was cured. Anyway this story is totally implausible. Lobotomy doesn't cure autoimmune disease.

@Mike Godwin is a forum member now.

A quote from this new paper Ouch.

Uhm I have a bit of this in me! Maybe psychogenic explanations are popular among doctors that are not otherwise allowed to express creativity and act on pure intuition because medicine is so rigidly regulated.

Tuller himself.

Does Mr Godwin have relevant expertise? If not he may find it difficult to understand why PACE is flawed and tend to trust authority and friends over random strangers on the internet. I think Wessely would be careful who he invites into the debate.

http://www.investinme.eu/IIMEC13-news-180502.shtml

https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1192/bja.2017.34

I think it was Kristian Sommerfelt