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  1. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    On the topic of whether it is normal or good/bad to have autophagy proteins in serum, the paper says: There's no mention of ATG13 there. For ATG5, a study is referenced that found higher levels in Alzheimers, as well as a study that found lower levels of the same protein, also in Alzheimers...
  2. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    I'm not on twitter, please do follow up. Yes, it feels a bit like they give us a blow by blow account of everything they tried, and the detailed disease history of the two initial cases who aren't actually included in the larger sample. Which all gets confusing. It might have been better if...
  3. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    (please correct anything I get wrong) Finding 2: increased autophagy proteins in ME/CFS serum (section 3.3) They used a commercially available autophagy antibody array (i.e. an Elisa method where you have antibodies that bind to the target protein). They started with 1 case control pair, and...
  4. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    Thanks to those who offered to share the paper with me. There are a lot of potentially interesting findings in this paper. Finding 1: Strong tendency for protein aggregation in the serum of ME/CFS (compared to controls) (Section 3.2) This was done using a thioflavin T assay. On the face of...
  5. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    It's annoying not being able to see the paper. But the preprint linked in the first post of this now-merged thread gives some insights. On the negative values, there's this: So, I imagine the x axis is increasing concentrations of the serum, and the y axis is the concentration of the target...
  6. Hutan

    Ginger-indirect moxibustion plus acupuncture versus acupuncture alone for chronic fatigue syndrome:a randomized controlled trial, 2022, Tingting et al

    Not a waste of effort as far as ginger-indirect moxibustion practitioners are concerned.
  7. Hutan

    (2022) "Weʼre raising £16,000 to Continue Dr Geraghty's Vital ME/CFS Research"

    Donated. I can't afford much right now, but hopefully another supporter added to the total number will be encouraging.
  8. Hutan

    Crowdfunding: Trial By Error: Reporting on ME, CFS, ME/CFS, "Medically Unexplained Symptoms," and now Long Covid, April 2022

    Donated, I wish the amount could have been bigger. @dave30th, that's quite the photo on your promotional material. I feel sure that you could secure grants and travel opportunities, now that ME/CFS has the much more news-worthy Long Covid angle, and given that you were working on the topic...
  9. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    from Dynamic association of the ULK1 complex with omegasomes during autophagy induction (formatting mine) I still can't find out how atg13 gets from cells into the blood. I am aware that I'm getting a bit carried away on the basis of barely understood snippets of a preliminary paper. The...
  10. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    As @Slamdancin suggested above, there's the fact that viral infections cause ATG13 expression to be increased. See for example: Antiviral responses of ATG13 to the infection of peste des petits ruminants virus through activation of interferon response, 2020, Ma et al So, an alternative story...
  11. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    (I'm working with the snippets only.) So, they tested for 20 autophagy-related proteins in two patients and two controls, and presumably found just ATG13 was different. They then validated the result of elevated ATG13 with 10 or so more patients and controls. I'm assuming the story they are...
  12. Hutan

    Elevated ATG13 in serum of pwME stimulates oxidative stress response in microglial cells , 2022, Gottschalk et al

    This interview is a bit relevant - there is a transcript. Norman Swan talking to Professor Luigi Fontana about research on extending human lifespan. Professor Fontana is keen on calorie restriction. https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/the-lowdown-on-longevity/13850872...
  13. Hutan

    Help needed: Send messages to Hungarian pwME for my ME Awareness Day project

    Nice idea @Wyva Warm greetings to people with ME/CFS and their supporters in Hungary. There is no credible evidence that it's possible to cure ME/CFS by thinking better thoughts, being more positive or exercising. Anyone suggesting otherwise has not kept up with the scientific literature. Kia...
  14. Hutan

    Long COVID Optimal Health Programme (LC-OHP) to enhance psychological and physical health: a feasibility randomised ... protocol, 2022, Al-Jabr et al

    Stand by for a bigger more expensive trial: These are the organisations that funded the study - clearly they need some advice on trial design.
  15. Hutan

    Long COVID Optimal Health Programme (LC-OHP) to enhance psychological and physical health: a feasibility randomised ... protocol, 2022, Al-Jabr et al

    Ha, it seems people with Long Covid are regarded as too befuddled to contribute to the study design. Patient and public involvement The OHP was tailored to long COVID with input from the long COVID clinic clinicians (two occupational therapists). In addition, guidance was provided on the mode...
  16. Hutan

    Long COVID Optimal Health Programme (LC-OHP) to enhance psychological and physical health: a feasibility randomised ... protocol, 2022, Al-Jabr et al

    Hiyam Al-Jabr 1 Karen Windle 1 David R Thompson 2 Zoe Jenkins 3 David J Castle 4 Chantal Ski 1 1 Integrated Care Academy University of Suffolk Ipswich GB 2 School of Nursing and Midwifery Queen’s University Belfast Belfast GB 3 Mental Health Service St Vincent's Hospital Melbourne AU 4...
  17. Hutan

    Magnesium

    Interpreting Magnesium Status to Enhance Clinical Care – Key Indicators, 2017 That paper is interesting, especially if you were planning an Mg supplementation study. There's a good analysis of various ways of determining Mg status (deficiency or otherwise), and also of the time taken for...
  18. Hutan

    Magnesium

    While it's true that something labelled 'food grade' is likely to be purer than something that isn't, it seems it isn't the contaminants that is causing the stinging. The linked retailer of the food grade Mg chloride notes 'avoid sensitive skin areas to reduce stinging sensation'. That...
  19. Hutan

    Magnesium

    Yes, a mild burning feeling. So, apparently you can make your own magnesium oil from a cup of magnesium chloride crystal dissolved in a cup of distilled water. That's pretty concentrated. But, there are Safety Data Sheets for Magnesium chloride solutions. When it's not packaged up with...
  20. Hutan

    Magnesium

    About the burning sensation, I've had that too. I bought a bottle of magnesium oil and tried it - and then did some research and became disillusioned and sprinkled the rest round my citrus trees. Just like the lack of evidence for MgCl solutions being absorbed, I haven't yet found a good...
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