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Good letters, but the authors' reply just takes the piss. Even their one concession (on provision of telemed) was used as an opportunity to plug FITNET. *sigh*

Sorry, yes, you're right. But... it was not a primary outcome measure. It wasn't reported in the abstract, and, as you say, their definitions were very lax and subject to regression to the mean given that both measures were used as selection criteria: "at least 2 points for fatigue and at least...

If anyone has received such a letter from their MP, they should let them know that this info is misleading and needs to be corrected. :mad:

Errr... they quoteth BS. They *assumed* a 60% improvement in working out the sample size. This was based on the much smaller (and biased) Liverpool study. A 60% improvement was never mentioned in the trial report itself. The "follow-up study" mentioned is the PACE trial itself, and not the...

We need to keep mentioning/citing the follow-up study. They would have known the 2-year results when they published the 2011 paper. I very much doubt that a complete 5-year or 10-year follow-up will ever see the light of day, unless there is a full inquiry.

Zombie stats. We need better epidemiology.

Could it have been on the old AYME page? That will have been deleted now they are part of AfME.

I must have the *special* desktop version then! (it won't work on tablet)

No idea why! I do pre-moderate, but nothing has come through yet.

I think he was well briefed by the authors, but some of his responses show that he really hasn't read Prof Hooper's "diatribe".

It might only be on the desktop version. There's a search box on the "Posts" page of most Pages. Otherwise there's graph search - but it's fairly inefficient.

I've done a wee fix, using lozenges to indicate beginnings and ends of quotes (where it is unclear). hth

I've done a search of their page on FB and I can't find it. Are you sure it wasn't a mirror site?

I suspect that phone apps strip all formatting to save space.

Sorry - I don't know why the formatting isn't coming through. Anyone better versed at Wordpress who can advise? It seems OK on Firefox, Internet Explorer and Safari

Oh - I thought I had... I'll check other browsers...

Thanks, @Trish Hooper's letter deals with that in great detail. It's what Horton (and White) referred to as "ad hominem attacks". o_O

I've just added this post: https://lucibee.wordpress.com/2018/03/15/richard-hortons-view-on-the-pace-trial-a-line-by-line-debunk/ Let me know if I've made any errors that need correcting. :D

I've just followed that up with this: https://lucibee.wordpress.com/2018/03/15/richard-hortons-view-on-the-pace-trial-a-line-by-line-debunk/ I don't know whether it will do any good. But if you think it might do harm, please let me know immediately!

Easier if I just upload the file here: