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@Gaspard, your perspective is very helpful. thanks for sharing it.

I would agree with this. The analogy has broken down in their own terms, but it breaks down on other levels also.

This is a good point.

I don't think it implies that all of them have. I suppose someone could read it that way. To me, it implies that as a general rule these disciplines and specialists have taken that position. I think that's defensible, given the DSM and all that. I don't really understand your second point. They...

I saw that about McGregor, but I've never seen a footnote linked to a name on a list, and if Hornig was a co-author of the other thing it would be consistent. It's a bit weird. Anyway.

I wouldn't be too hard on them. Many have suffered major abuse just like ME patients.

There should be a term for "neurological symptoms that we cannot diagnose at this point," and "functional neurological disorder" is theoretically as good a phrase as any, just like "medically unexplained symptoms" would be fine if it weren't misused to mean "medically unexplainable symptoms."...

Yes but does anyone get why footnote #4 and #5 are by Hornig's and McGregor's names, respectively?

I'm going to post it on VB.

I'd never heard of Richard Sykes. Here's another article, specifically about CFS: https://doi.org/10.1192/apt.8.5.351 This is his bio: Richard Sykes is the Director of Westcare UK (155 Whiteladies Road, Clifton, Bristol BS8 2RF, UK), a registered charity for people with chronic fatigue...

thanks! would love to see if you find. or I'll look. don't stress out about it. Added: Found it. https://philpapers.org/rec/SYKMUS

This can be true but they are also invaluable and are fascinating to read. I have read a lot of them over the years, including before I wrote anything about PACE, and have found a lot of useful information. Magical Medicine really captures what happened in PACE, but it is true there is a lot to...

I see she is at UC Davis. I will touch base with her and introduce myself.

Hm. What do you mean that it has been "formally published" as a fallacy?

Exactly. So using a clinical case definition in research can be problematic.

That's right. That's how it originally appeared when they sent the letter in. I never noticed before that it was likely missing a word.

No, thanks for pointing it out. should be fixed now.

The estimates for how many people have ME also seem to indicate that the huge majority of those don't know they have ME and/or haven't been properly diagnosed. That means the audience is not really the quarter million in UK who are estimated to be ill but the 10 or 20% or whatever of that group...

I can't seem to access this through the Berkeley online library access. Has anyone seen it?

it will be interesting to look at what changes were implemented for the full trial based on the feasibility trial, because I'm assuming they folded in all the feasibility trial participants into the full trial, a la LP study. anyway it's only Christmas Eve early afternoon here.