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:rofl: OH @dave30th you do make me laugh, you really do have such a wonderful turn of phrase, on top of that incisive mind :) Appreciative of you work, as ever.

Well i should say she said she understood. i dont yet know her well enough to know if that was really genuine or not. @Ariel :hug:

I am mainly housebound anyway but i have been out several times for various medical/dental appointments & necessary shopping. on a few occasions to a local lakeside just for change scenery/fresh air. In roughly July i stopped wearing mask outside & asking people with me to. We keep distance & i...

Oh, i cannot offer to tell you how encouraged i am by your post Jonathan. You've been pretty much spot on since it first appeared in China way back in early 2020, so your hopefulness gives me such hope! Even if it takes longer than that, an end to the level of fear and measures -...

I havent read further than the OP & the list. What i can say is that if i were able to access even say 75% of the things on that list, instead of just 7/40... my life would be transformed! They have no clue.

Yes, i hadnt really thought of it like that before but that describes the situation perfectly. Personally i think this most accurately describes the attitude & motive of the BPS gang, that is, for me, what fits best with what i witness.

Eww. Just Eww. What a slime ball.

Well i for one just breathed a huge sigh of relief. I dont care who it is, if it's someone connected to us/from S4 they will understand the issues properly, even if they arent listened to, at least we know someone will be there representing us. whomever it is who is volunteering to go -...

:laugh: haha i have giggling for about 20 minutes at that rvallee "sophisticated instruments" Ooooo I'm so impressed! :rofl::rofl:

IT's my understanding that Coercive control may, or may not include gaslighting. Coercive control - Womens Aid I would agree that the aspect of CBT for ME that seeks to make the patient doubt their own experience, to believe that the sensations they are experiencing as sensations of illness...

I first heard of the gaslighting term in the mid - late noughties, but it was then very 'localised' to fields of domestic abuse etc, and was only ever used to mean what it was originally coined for - what the husband did to the wife in the movie - ie an abuser trying to convince the victim that...

:emoji_open_mouth::emoji_no_mouth: Stunned Edited: I had assumed that this was a newly developed thing. It's not it's from 2006 - see further on in thread. In which case it's not particularly remarkable given loads of people had never heard of gaslighting back then.

Ah yes... i'm not sure how often i read the word 'false' in the lit, just aberrant & then unhelpful, but since the premise of the CBT for ME is that we beleiev we have organic illness when we dont, 'false' describes that. So regardless of how many times he has said the actual word 'false', to...

I cant believe that Sharpe just said 'illness beliefs' was a straw man. I just cannot believe what i'm reading. I know i shouldnt be shocked, but i am. If they dont think beliefs about the illness underpin anything why are they targeting said beliefs in CBT. I'm staggered by that comment. I...

Its brilliant thank you, so much hard work, i am so grateful

Mike Godwin you made my night :)

So disingenuous. As if huge numbers of patients dont say the treatment made them worse. "if you believe the patient you believe the patient" Indeed. But you have to believe them when they're not saying what you want them to say because they havent been asked leading questions/been manipulated...

Well i dont see why not :rolleyes::D couldnt agree more.

:laugh:Oh God Simbindi, the way you keep bringing in the 'stared down the barrel of the gun' thing, is becoming almost an art form, it is making me laugh so much, every time. :D Thank you so much for your wit, it, & that of others here too, is making all this NICE nonsense much easier to bear.

i didnt have the energy to write anything, or even, tbh, to really read/absord whats being said about grade, my brain just wont take it in. but then i read Wonko's post & he has said precisely what i want to say about the whole thing.