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By the way, please do leave comments at the article itself. That gets noticed by editors.

well, it was strategic for the reasons you suggest, but it was also sincere. I love those disease-mongering articles in BMJ--that was a very important effort. The journal has done some good things under Dr Godlee. Unfortunately, not in this realm of science.

yeah, something like that.

Does anyone have a copy of the BJGP article? I can't seem to access it through Berkeley. Not sure why.

Yes I wondered what that meant exactly. It really was the investigators' failure to fully inform the journal of the facts.

yes I remember you biked to a gathering I attended!!

Ha! I like to think SOME rational discussion can take place there as well!!

Sorry just catching up to this, it escaped my attention earlier. The change in interventions seems to be a doubling of the sessions for Activity Management from three initially to six later on, from the changes in the descriptions on the registration. I haven't seen an explanation for that change.

Exactly. This is of course a main point I'll make in appealing the decision. It's really absurd for this paper to suggest it should or could be exempt from ethical review.

After I read that earlier piece, I sent him a short message expressing my sympathy. I noted that though we disagreed strongly on this issue, I hoped he and his family were coping as best as possible with whatever it was he was dealing with, etc.

Let's hope. In the US, it would be devastating and a serious career black mark to have to correct the ethics statements in 11 studies after having had to agree to a 3,000-word correction/clarification in another study. Going forward, it would be hard for such an investigator to convince his/her...

As I wrote in my post about the findings, and previously, a "shrewd sleuth" flagged this issue for me. I didn't discover it myself. That might have been "lilpink"--I'm not sure.

From Horton's recent post about having many medical appointments, it would appear he might be suffering from a serious illness. Does anyone know the facts on that? I agree his position is really hypocritical here, as has been his hectoring others about bad science, given his egregious...

Not sure about that, but I intend to make sure Bristol knows about it.

As I have added to the FB post, the letter came from chief executive Teresa Allen. I had sent her a copy of my letter to Bristol. I don't know exactly what prompted the letter, but it is phrased in a way that lends support to my position in relation to Bristol. And yes, I think it puts more...

Technically I only asked for the complaints to be withdrawn, not an apology. An apology would be nice, of course.

We shall see. I have a feeling they will not file further complaints, in any event. They obviously know they are in the wrong. Whether that will prompt them to act I have no idea. But that's no reason not to remind them publicly that their "actions and behaviour" cannot be justified.

Sure that would be good. Actually, the schools were said to be in the Bath area.

Parents must, but how to find them? The education department has claimed to know nothing about it. The specific schools were not identified in the study.

Adrian, my sense is that no one gave approvals for anything, no one consented anyone, and Professor Crawley did more or less what she wanted, with the assistance of three schools in the area. She called it a "pilot study" but then claimed it was part of regular school clinical services. Bristol...