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  1. Nightsong

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    I think the massive campaign to preserve the Larun review may be in part about what is now necessary to obtain ethical approval for trials, and MAGENTA provides an interesting example of that. Looking back at some of the MAGENTA related documentation, the Cochrane review seems to be particularly...
  2. JemPD

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    I was able to skim a little bit the part in this thread about directness/indirectness in PACE. I have often struggled to grasp why the fact that PEM wasnt req'd isnt a key issue, so have been really grateful to @Jonathan Edwards & @Utsikt & others for discussing it here. The RA/pain killers...
  3. Hutan

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    Thanks to a member, we can post some excerpts, focussing on things that may be news to members:
  4. SNT Gatchaman

    Qualitative evaluation of the Rehabilitation Exercise and psycholoGical support After COVID-19 InfectioN REGAIN, 2025, Seers, McGregor+

    Gives some insight into Clinical effectiveness of an online supervised group physical and mental health rehabilitation programme for adults with post-covid-19 condition REGAIN study: multicentre randomised controlled trial (2024, BMJ)
  5. E

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    Has somebody done a crosscomparison between CBT/GET and placebo in the Rituximab trials? My vague understanding is that those improvements surpassed those of CBT/GET in PACE? Do those that recommend CBT and GET also recommend a dosage of placebo by Øystein Fluge, if not why not? The mind must...
  6. Lidia Thompson

    Open Request: External collaborator (co-creator) required for "Participatory Action in Research and Education" course

    Can anyone point me to some information on patient involvement in the design of the PACE Trial? I know Action for ME were involved (why them?) and were responsible for agreeing to waive the use of actometers part way through. Is there any info/links you could provide for me? Similarly, any...
  7. Kalliope

    Brief Outpatient Rehabilitation Program for Post-COVID-19 Condition, Nerli et al, 2024 - with comment from T. Chalder

    Trial by Error by David Tuller: Norwegian Long Covid Rehab Trial Misrepresents Clinically Insignificant Findings As "Effective" Quote: This trial, however unimpressive the findings, has received lots of attention. Along with the study, JAMA Network Open published an “invited commentary” from...
  8. Trish

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    Edit: I haven't been able to read all the discussion. The PACE trial used the Oxford criteria for CFS, which only requires chronic disabling fatigue, and explicitly includes post viral fatigue, fatigue accompanied (or caused) by mild to moderate anxiety and/or depression, and idiopathic chronic...
  9. Jonathan Edwards

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    But it doesn't @Medfeb. If an anti-inflammatory analgesic is studied in large trials of joint pain do we then say that it should not be prescribed for rheumatoid arthritis because the trials did not require symmetrical joint swelling or a raised ESR? No, we use most drugs test on brand...
  10. rvallee

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    Notable that since this follows, this has been Garner's most recent promotional tour. Out of some trial on LC that doesn't actually say that, but he's been making this claim loudly, that those with PEM benefit the most, for a few months.
  11. Jonathan Edwards

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    ...only 30%, or even less. That likelihood may well be affected by features of the individual that put them in a subset - like PEM. But the PACE trial selection criteria are justified on the basis that if it gave a positive result with 95% confidence that would be a starting point for treating...
  12. M

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    ...your last paragraph exactly my 6 week experience of CBT and Activity management in a clinic, diagnosed under the 2007 NICE guideline and PACE trial results in 2011. My form filling was worse on fatigue but I felt better on everything else. I had been given tools to help me manage my illness...
  13. Sasha

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    Can you offer a guest editorial? I honestly can't understand how this situation prevails. It's frankly weird how doctors are expected to be 'collegiate' in this situation and not criticise other doctors. What is the point of doctors who are loyal to each other rather than to patients?
  14. Midnattsol

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    But when is this taught? I've taken methodology classes with medical students, and I've only ever really heard about this problem in the ME patient community. The go-to professor on stats at my medical faculty is a co-author on a study with just this problem (on ME patients to boot).
  15. Jonathan Edwards

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    It may be worth reminding people that when I presented my thoughts about the PACE trial to the University College London Division of Medicine (cardiologists, endocrinologists, haematologists, clinical pharmacologists etc.) nearly ten years ago now the audience unanimously agreed that PACE was a...
  16. Trish

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    It goes back much further than PACE. BPS supporters have been in key positions at Cochrane from the start, as I understand it. And they determined who got to write reviews, which ones they accepted and how studies are analysed. For example, none of them seem to understand that subjective...
  17. Utsikt

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    ...are mostly reactive instead of proactive. As an example - why was the initial review left to the BPS lobby in the first place? Surely the PACE trial displayed a need to control the narrative around how data is being interprerated? We’ve known that the GET research is terrible for ages - why...
  18. Sasha

    If ME/CFS research got £1 billion, what would stop it being wasted?

    PACE had an objective measure of physical fitness (which involved patients doing a step-test while having their oxygen measured, IIRC) and there was no increase in fitness in any arm of the trial. There's your proof already, I think.
  19. Trish

    Cochrane review of exercise therapy for CFS - a brief history from 2019 to 2022 and beyond

    Week beginning 30th December 2024 Science for ME petition Cochrane: Withdraw the harmful 2019 Exercise therapy for CFS review Update: On Cochrane's excuses for scrapping the replacement review process they set up: Part 1 This part examines the first excuse given by Cochrane, a lack of resources...
  20. M

    2025: The 2019/24 Cochrane Larun review Exercise Therapy for CFS - including IAG, campaign, petition, comments and articles

    YES! ETA: Carol Monaghan SNP read out in the Westminster Hall debate in 2018, an extract of a letter she received from someone who participated in the PACE trial.
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