Acupuncture and other traditional Chinese medicine news and discussion thread

So I’ve never heard anyone claiming acupuncture as a cure. I do go to an acupuncturist and have a heart monitor on. I’ve noticed that my heart rate drops during and for a short time after. Not a cure but not nothing either.

 

The funny thing about that is that it's the same story as the "brain retraining" folks, so it's exactly the same as the entire biopsychosocial approach, just replace a few things that make no difference.

Congrats on our BPS overlords for being identical to this crap. You deserve it in full.

 

She's been reading all the M.E terminology on social media and pitching it on her Instagram account. Ear seeds treating everything from weight loss, migraines, depression et which is what everyone is doing these days on Instagram.

Her story after being dx with 'moderate' CFS/ME.
Link

Are there even doctors actually diagnosing their pts with mild, moderate or severe m.e???

 

These are the 'Dragons' who will judge the various entrepreneur schemes tonight and pick a winner


@dragonjones
,
@DeborahMeaden
,
@toukersuleyman
,
@SaraDaviesCC
,
@StevenBartlett
and

@GNev2

@Gnev is a famous footballer Gary Neville - so tonight's Dragons Den will have a much bigger audience most likely


Episode link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vfsz

 

I stopped having acupuncture treatments because the results I'd have after sessions were inconsistent, but I'll never forget the 1st session. I went into a profoundly relaxed state and saw in my mind's eye a train in India with passengers who were all cows and humans who were providing services to them. It sounds so much like a Far Side cartoon that it was probably one I had seen and forgotten about, but it was still very entertaining.

 

So appearing on Dragons Den is not the first Business Award that @GiselleBoxer (Acu Seeds) put herself forward for. She appears to be a professional award seeker. Now she is exploiting sufferers of a disabling disease for profit



2014 Venus Awards

'Having fun @BBGEvents @NatWestBusiness Finalist Announcement #Birmingham @JCsocialmediaUK
@GiselleBoxer '

https://twitter.com/user/status/519518172903669761




Giselle Boxer Linkedin
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/giselleboxer

 

And she's in The Sun Newspaper - milking the publicity from Dragons Den



'WOND-EAR-FUL
Who is Giselle Boxer and what does her company Acu Seeds make?
She was once told by doctors that she would never work again or have children.'

'"My own recovery from ME through these methods motivated me to create Acu Seeds and offer these benefits to others seeking holistic wellness."


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/25403342/who-giselle-boxer-acu-seeds-dragons-den/

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=widhPSg9tKU

 

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748081601236357483

 

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748083936872243616

 

It is just sickening and deeply disturbing that the Dragons Den fell for Giselle Boxer's Acu Seeds scam - hook line and sinker! And the viewers did too - they've gone all gooey about the program and about Giselle Boxer's presentation. They thought she was the real deal, not just an accomplished saleswoman.

That they are scientifically illiterate, have fallen for a commercial scam, have sold millions of disabled ME sufferers down the river - means nothing to them!

All they cared about was her slick and emotive presentation. They thought she was genuine! Dear god help us.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001vfsz



@dave30th - please watch this - it's a hugely popular UK TV program that has just done ME sufferers over.


Giselle Boxer in today's The Sun newspaper:

"My own recovery from ME through these methods motivated me to create Acu Seeds and offer these benefits to others seeking holistic wellness."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/25403342/who-giselle-boxer-acu-seeds-dragons-den/

 

Its the UK equivalent of Shark Tank

 

I cant bring myself to watch it, but is ME presented as a serious condition that Drs said she'd never recover from? (despite being able to be cured by acupressure)

 

Giselle Boxer buys the ear seeds for £3 and sells them for £30. There is a word for that. Daylight robbery. Profitable snake oil. And other words that are censored.

 

Thee program. Giselle Boxer is on from 31:45

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001vfsz/dragons-den-series-21-episode-3

 

Oh boy, looks like it's the year of ear treatment for pwM.E! New name same person?

'28 years of relapsing-remitting incurable condition #ME Have been wearing this since 9am and can’t begin to tell you the difference it has made'.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748281480822788280

 

Oh, it was meant as sarcasm after I read the thread

 

That thread by Kirsty Schnickelschticker and the replies are hilarious - a humorous send up.

 

Hard to see how this doesn't quickly get slapped down by the advertising authority, especially claiming it for a number of conditions.

Then again all she has to do is get some MDs to join in on it and get an EBM paper published about it and it all works itself out. The grift has been perfected, and it's not as if this is any different from the usual BPS stuff.