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Addressing the needs of patients with medically unexplained symptoms: 10 key messages, 2018

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Pechius, Sep 27, 2018.

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  1. Pechius

    Pechius Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://bjgp.org/content/68/674/442

    Don't have the access to full text, but I don't know if I want to. My blood is already boiling.

    This part is interesting:
    How can it be justified? How bent are these people writing this nonsense?
     
  2. Cinders66

    Cinders66 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    The other sections are

    Sounds same old BPS (or BS) ! involving graded “get over it”, I particularly like the “give an explanation” for the unexplained. We should be aware of number three using exactly the same Language our drs are using, except they see mainly a biological trigger only , not significant perpetuating abnormalities
     
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    WONCA :laugh:

    "MUS are physical symptoms that have existed for several weeks"

    what if they have existed for many years?
     
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    Hubris, institutionalized (and emanating from individuals and manifesting as unacknowledged embedded iatrogenic harm)
     
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    Can anyone with full access tell us what conditions they include?
     
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    :confused: where the hell does truth fit in to this approach?

    Six people wrote this rubbish and the British Journal of General Practice published it. They all should be ashamed of their sloppy thinking and willingness to collude to deceive patients. (Is it obvious that I have a headache and no tolerance for stupidity today?).

    Here are the authors' names:

    TC Olde Hartman, PhD, MD, GP, Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Center, Nijmegen, the Netherlands.
    CLK Lam, MD, FRCGP, MICGP, FHKAM (Family Medicine), professor and head, Department of Family Medicine and Primary Care, University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong.
    J Usta, MSc, MD, clinical associate professor, Internal Medicine, American University of Beirut, Beirut, Lebanon.
    D Clarke, MD, clinical assistant professor of gastroenterology emeritus, Oregon Health and Science University, Portland, OR, US.
    S Fortes, MSc, PhD, MD, psychiatrist, University of Rio de Janeiro State, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
    C Dowrick, MSc, MD, professor of primary medical care, University of Liverpool, Liverpool, UK.

    Address for correspondence

    Tim C Olde Harteman, Radboud University Nijmegen Medical Center, Primary and Community Care, PO Box 9101, Nijmegen, 6500 HB, the Netherlands.
    Email: tim.oldeHartman@radboudumc.nl

    I'm reminded of Jen Brea's TED talk where she says that 'I don't know' is a beautiful thing, as it is only by acknowledging that that it's possible to move on to trying to find answers.
     
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    Tangible ... are they saying they have objective diagnostic tests now? And still call it MUS? [Please read with heavy overtones of sarcasm.]
     
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    Addressing the needs of patients with medically unexplained symptoms: 10 key messages.

    or

    How to gaslight your patients: A practical guide.

    :confused:
     
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    There's no list of conditions included, only the general description of what to be concidred a MUS quoted in the first post.
     
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    At least this is it isn’t just a bunch of brits coming up with this claptrap and embarrassing us yet again. It’s a worldwide group of MUPPETS so everyone can be equally embarrassed
     
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    Oh gawd, that's not going to help Liverpool ME patients! :emoji_scream_cat:
     
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