Annie Hoppers Dynamic Neural Retraining System

@Alvin I think we might agree but are just using different words. To me adjunct techniques that can be therapeutic (not necessarily for me but in general) are things like chiropractor, massage, yoga, acupuncture, various supplements, psychotherapy, music and art therapy, pet therapy, meditation or guided imagery, etc). They are not "cures" to use in place of medication or medical treatment vs. in addition if the individual finds them helpful.

If a so-called treatment endorses that you can no longer speak to your friends or must abandon your medication, than I put it in the cult category like Annie Hopper DNRS or Scientology etc.

 

Fair enough, i do use a chiropractor because she has done very well for me. I also agree that FDA medications are not the end all of medicine (some are even more harm then help). I won't get into details about my views of "alternative" medicine views here since it would be off topic and a long discussion.

Indeed, and i loled

 

Glad I could make you laugh

 

The speak to your friends is what did it
I've read a bit about cult psychology, quite fascinating in a morbid way

 

I will admit I am practicing Dynamic Neural Retraining.
That said I had improved about 80% prior to when I started the program last week.

I would get brain fog and have reactions if I remained indoors for too long. My sense of smell is not sensitive at all just the opposite. I have lost a lot of my sense of smell.

I was considering getting an rv to avoid mold when Sara Riley Mattson ( author of Camp Like a Girl) recommended this to me. I was extremely skeptical. But it seemed easier than spending 20,000 on an rv. I am willing to play the fool .

I agree that this seems like total bs. I have a science degree . I strongly feel that this is not at all a psychiatric condition. A good friends daughter has been suffering from post concussive syndrome. We had a lot of similiar symptoms so perhaps a brain injury to the limbic system could be involved.

I have been better able to tolerate being indoors and hAve had less “ brain fog. “I was very surprised to find it did anything at all.
I could be suggestible perhaps but I am very stubborn and have strong views .

I have read the material and while some of it does seem very “ woo” There is no judgement about you if this does not work. You are not encouraged to push yourself too hard or ignore symptoms.

I have not been adhering strictly to the program but I can now be in the car with the windows up. I have also lost 5 pounds. I had previously gained over 30 pounds when I started improving from cfs.
I am no longer hungry all the time.

I still have to pace myself And get mini crashes but I have been able to do more without severe payback. My goal is to get back into the workforce on a part time basis. Too soon to tell yet.

I recognize I am extremely fortunate to have recovered as much as I have. This may be dumb luck. I have no idea.

I also hate the judgement and ignorance surrounding this illness. In no way do I want to promote an “ easy” fix so then insurance companies promote this as us not trying. Been there done that. For now I will continue to practice DNR. I will let you know if there is any further improvement.

I am continuing the “ mold avoidance pacing and medications that help me with symptoms. This is just another tool in my toolbox. In no way do I advocate not speaking to friends and following anything in a cult like mindless way. If it does not make sense to me I won’t do it.

 

Still doing Dynamic Retraining. I actually stopped it for about a few weeks but felt myself slipping. At the back of my mind I felt like a jackass practicing these recitations but while actively practicing I noticed slight improvements .

Since doing the retraining I have been sleeping indoors. Before DNRS if I sleep indoors for several days in a row my symptoms would gradually increase until I retreated and slept outside. The improvements are very subtle and slow but overall I am going very slowly uphill.
It was like I needed a reminder about how bad things were in order to recommit to this. It is tough.

I don’t feel that good but I don’t feel as bad as I used to. I feel like I have more control. Overall much more active without crashing. I still get tired if I overdo but it is more like “ normal” tired. I used to get where I could not speak. This has not happened since doing DNRS .

I will report back in a few months.

 

@Sue any updates? Curious what your experience is 1 year out.

 

Ditto. I’m also curious to hear how you’re doing now @Sue

 

I was also recently "prescribed" the DNRS system by a new doctor that I was seeing, amongst various other lifestyle modifications and suggestions. This doctor apparently advises all of their new patients to do DNRS.

I figured that I would just ignore the suggestion, that maybe they simply recommended this to everyone because some patients are legitimately stressed, or anxious, or whatever and that this type of therapy is helpful for them.

But no, the doc pressed me at my follow up visit that I needed to practice DNRS for an hour per day to see the benefit.

Needless to say, my faith in the legitimacy of that doctor quickly evaporated. Sadly this is someone who is highly recommended in my area for managing complex illnesses.

 

Hhmmm, let me guess --- you live in BC?

 

I searched "annie hopper DNRS scam" and found this near the top of the page. Thanks again to David Tuller for another great article.
Published Sept 2020 - https://www.virology.ws/2020/09/02/trial-by-error-what-is-the-dynamic-neural-retraining-system/

 

No, I'm in the US. I suppose now that I'm registered, I should go ahead and fill out my profile...

 

You know, I can only say that the claims can't be supported by the science. As with all of these programs, some people come out of it I'm sure with great reports of feeling better.

 

I actually purchased the course and spent a few hours with it. I thought that maybe I should suspend my disbelief, and what is the harm in trying. But unfortunately the way that the entire thing is designed, you basically have to 100% believe in its merits in order for it to work. You cannot be a skeptic and still do the "exercises" or "motions" or whatever they are called, the effectiveness of the program is dependent on your own brainwashing.

Honestly, it's kind of fascinating the way that the entire thing is packaged. I think it's been said here before, but this and the other LP-like courses are basically a masterclass in designing an effective placebo.

 

You are providing very valuable information, thank you so much. May I ask how much you paid for the course?

 

Heh, well I'm glad that something is coming from it, then! The online course costs $250, if I remember correctly. As a former professional web developer, I will also say that the interface was quite confusing and occasionally there would be odd server errors. They also use some interesting measures to ostensibly ensure that accounts cannot be "shared" amongst different people. (In order to log in, you must click a link sent to your email address. There is a fee to change the email address associated with the account.)

 

And goes beyond just developing a response to placebos when you consider that directing people to believe in something like this has consequenses outside of the immediate situation.

Manipulating people to be more gullible, to suspending their judgment and skepticism rather than more resilient makes for citizens with a tenuous grasp on reality.

IMO that's dangerous. And nobody gets held accountable.

 

From their website
The Science Behind The DNRS Program

https://retrainingthebrain.com/understanding-the-science/

Brea: Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome, Mast Cell Activation Disorder, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, FM
https://retrainingthebrain.com/brea...vation-disorder-myalgic-encephalomyelitis-fm/

also targetting Long Covid

(note Brea is nothing to do with Jen Brea)

Frequently asked Qs and Doctors who recommend it testimonials can be viewed here https://retrainingthebrain.com/

 

"Science"