BBC article: Are Iranian schoolgirls being poisoned by toxic gas?, 2023 (quotes Wessely)

There is a change.org petition requesting UNICEF conduct an independent enquiry into the poisoning of Iranian school girls:

See https://chng.it/sbrwJDzSLR

 

Guardian: Schoolgirls in Iran say they are still being poisoned: here’s what we know – video

https://www.healthline.com/health/organophosphate-poisoning#diagnosis

Or

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/restricted-use-pesticide

See also Zinc Phosphide Poisoning (2014)

 

Change.org have a petition

Urgent Call for International Community to Address Poisoning of Schoolgirls in Iran

https://chng.it/ZtDVxn5Nq2

 

“Panahi said the poisonings have been caused by commercially available chemicals and cannot be transmitted because no viruses or bacteria are involved.”

Even though there may be no infectious agents involved, toxic chemical exposure can have long term consequences. There was the recent Korean study drawing on subjects with CFS (including the symptom PEM) arising from chemical exposure, that presented as common knowledge that Korea had a significant number of people with health issues arising from previous exposure to toxic humidifier disinfectants including a proportion who had developed CFS.

https://www.s4me.info/threads/a-2-d...infectants-2023-leem-et-al.32342/#post-465210

 

Key epidemiological factors like what? Being girls has been one cited by his ilk so I’ll assume that but interested to know if he’s bothered with any others?

 

If Long Covid Advocacy is right in their view

then I doubt we will see a retraction any time soon.

 

And nothing will improve in medicine for chronic conditions either. More and more of the chronic stuff is treated as psychosomatic now because it's cheap.

 

Simon Wessely was more dismissive of women than the Iranian government. Let that sink in.

 

because it claims to be cheap in its sales pitches at each individual level. Quite different to if someone totted up all the kingdoms and % of all staffs time, including all those full time specific ones, doing this stuff, vs 'impact'. I imagine the cost is unbelievably huge actually - particularly when you consider it is that nice open-ended never fixes the problem, but never really intends to printer that will always need new ink cartridges or toothbrush that will always need new heads.

Antibiotics for an H Pylori ulcer is way cheaper than if someone got sent to CHalder's 30 sessions of CBT for somatic symptoms by what must be many £1000s, and will do little to prevent someone ending up in A&E and all the costs of that if/when it gets worse.

If it was cheap I really don't think it would be as big and have such a group of people behind it let's be honest. I'll stop short of saying it is an industry that perhaps might prosper from keeping people ill and making their lives worse and more coerced but that is a very likely consequence of 'the overall process' of this stuff.

The only cost saving might be short-term of just telling people to shove off rather than giving a referral but I doubt it would even mean much saving given that just means another GP appt or worse

Sadly I suspect more of what is driving it is because so many are happy to put their hand up at short notice to be paid to do these sorts of jobs. In a political health service world that must spend a lot of its time behind closed doors 'hiding the gaps'. But of course all this stuff creates more gaps (why do an A&E job with few staff when you could do a 9-5 telling someone in pain to visualise or running a mindfulness session).

And of course because of how the system works with funding and 'loves an inititiative' and these people are like the people who always have plenty of time to ace an interview because they don't pick up their share of the dayjob vs those workhorsing it. Know where the bread is buttered in their career. And the funding blobs seem to be happy to take a nice spiel from this sector where awkward things like qualifications and security get in the way for real medicine. A bit like bad research taking over because when allowed then cheap surveys of 'any old bod' are going to be cheaper and faster than having to design something proper with controls and the right patients.

 

Simon Wessely:

Whereas poisoned schoolgirls are safer letting the Iranian government handle it than having Wessely handle it.

 

IIRC it was during the war though