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British Medical Association article: Long Covid - we've been here before, 2021, J. Trueland

Discussion in 'Long Covid news' started by EducateME, Feb 12, 2021.

  1. MEMarge

    MEMarge Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Maybe rest is their version of convalescence, to fit in with their soundbite?
     
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  2. Andy

    Andy Committee Member

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    There was this paper from last year, Peripheral endothelial dysfunction in myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, 2020, Scherbakov et al

    and back in 2011 there is this paywalled article, https://www.internationaljournalofcardiology.com/article/S0167-5273(11)01904-8/fulltext,
    Large and small artery endothelial dysfunction in chronic fatigue syndrome
    There are a number of other earlier papers but my Google skills don't reveal anything more current.
     
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  3. Invisible Woman

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    I doubt it. Very happy to be proven wrong but as far as I can tell rest means rest in the initial stage of illness and, maybe, for a minimum period after. We're talking very short term measured in weeks.

    Once they believe the illness has passed then it's time for rehab.

    Convalescence implies a much longer post illness recovery period.

    As an aside I also find it interesting that while it seems to be accepted that some issues, like a broken leg, take time to heal, that even relatively short term mental health problems take time to resolve, when it comes to viral illnesses after a few weeks you should be fine. I wonder did that start with ME or CFS? Or was this happening anyway?
     
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    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Not sure if this written interview with David Strain has been linked here:

    https://www.dw.com/en/long-covid-symptoms-treatment-support-effects/a-56220741

     
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    Robert 1973 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  7. Invisible Woman

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    The on air mistake was a pity but I admire & think the better of him for being prepared to publicly set the record straight.

    Whatever their field, someone who is prepared to step up and say, I got that wrong / i made a mistake is far more trustworthy and, in my opinion, professional than someone who just constantly makes claims that they were misunderstood without publicly issuing an unambiguous statement correcting the record.
     
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    Well, there's this from Fluge and Mella (2014), using L-Arginine and L-Citrulline to increase NO. Not sure what became of this.

    https://data.epo.org/publication-server/pdf-document?pn=2805730&ki=A1&cc=EP&pd=20141126
     
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  9. Wonko

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    Tried them a couple of years ago - after reading the above research.

    They may have helped me, a bit, for a while (months).

    I was also doing keto (ish) at the time so the effects of individual things are probably muddied.

    I am not currently using them, despite still have significant amounts of both.

    Within days of starting them my decades long high BP dropped into normal range - this may be coincidental, but I doubt it as my high BP had been resistant to every drug the NHS had thrown at it.

    So, people with low BP 'may' be advised to use caution with these supplements.
     
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  10. JemPD

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    From Dr Strain's tweet linked above
    Dr Strain, if you ever come on here & read this, i just want to say how much i respect and admire you for this comment. It's so easily done to slip, with the pressure of being on air etc, & instead of attacking us & acting like an arse (which is what we usually get), you just hold your hands up. Awesome. It makes me trust you a bit.

    all the best to you and thank you for both your honesty and your support, i wish you well
     
  11. Invisible Woman

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    Just wondering if anyone who tweets fancies responding to Dr Strain and telling him the interview and his comments after have been discussed on here and we're grateful to him for putting the record straight. Maybe he'd like to pop in to the forum and have a look?
     
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