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Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia-like symptoms are an integral component of the phenome of schizophrenia, 2020, Maes et al

Discussion in 'Other health news and research' started by Andy, Sep 24, 2020.

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    Andy Committee Member

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    Full title: Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia-like symptoms are an integral component of the phenome of schizophrenia: neuro-immune and opioid system correlates

    Paywall, https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11011-020-00619-x
    Sci hub, https://sci-hub.se/https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11011-020-00619-x
     
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    They're referring to idiopathic chronic fatigue and pain, though, right? It would be helpful if they clarified.
     
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    As far as I can see they are saying that a good proportion people with schizophrenia feel rubbishy and particularly the ones with bad schizophrenia. Which is no surprise.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Schizophrenia has been discovered to respond favourably to the same ketogenic diet that is used to minimise and control epilepsy. Perhaps the schizophrenic patients are poorly nourished [Edit : or more specifically - their brains might need fat and protein rather than carbs to work properly] - and poor nutrition would very likely lead to the symptoms of fatigue and fibromyalgia.

    Title : Ketogenic diet for schizophrenia - clinical implication

    Link : https://journals.lww.com/co-psychia...genic_diet_for_schizophrenia__clinical.6.aspx

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    Title : Low-Carbohydrate Diet: Superior to Antipsychotic Medications?

    Link : https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...drate-diet-superior-antipsychotic-medications
     
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    I didn't know this was a thing? None of the people with schizophrenia (and they've all had "bad" phases) that I have known have complained about "Chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia-like symptoms".

    The authors commit the usual fallacy, assuming that questionnaire answers are the same as symptoms...
     
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    Indeed. I feel rubbishy from time to time and would probably score a few points on ME and FM questionnaires.
    I have constant pain in more than four places for instance - but so what.
     
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    Jo, you need some rehabilitative treatments to address your defeatist attitude.
     
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    There's also (possibly just case) studies on N-Acetyl Cysteine supplementation that have shown positive effects on some.
     
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