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Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS): An Imprecisely Defined Infectious Disease Caused by Stealth Adapted Viruses, 2020, Martin, KELEA activated water

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Dolphin, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Free full text:
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/364a/a1eaaf53c1338b9d3501d095a2d4751e311f.pdf


     
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  2. strategist

    strategist Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    If the viruses are so stealthy, how does he know they are there?

    If he knows a method to reveal these stealthy viruses, can he publish to allow others to test this idea?

    Or is this all pseudoscientific marketing for an expensive private clinic that loots desperate patients?
     
  3. Mij

    Mij Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    We have another theory from John Martin stealth virus here.

    The virologist I saw years ago told me that JM is the only 'doctor' who can actually see this virus.
     
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    Mij Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Yes, he has a history of this. His lab was shut down years ago.
     
  5. Trish

    Trish Moderator Staff Member

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    Is this serious? It seems like a bizarre mix of misinformation about ME definition, anecdotes some of which are nothing to do with ME, stealth viruses which I know nothing about, and finishes up with quack nonsense about activated water.

    Cross posted with others. Glad we agree.
     
  6. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Every time I read something like this I get violently sucked into an alternate universe I never agreed to inhabit.

    More on KELEA water from same author (John Martin) 2015:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274194833_Therapeutic_Potential_of_KELEA_Activated_Water

    You have to download the PDF to see the whole thing (I don't know how to do that)

    And there are several other similar sites. I think JM has been at this for some decades now.

    https://ezinearticles.com/?Effective-Homeopathy:-A-Misnomer-for-KELEA-Activated-Water&id=8632483

    https://glacialblue.org/science/ (some sort of connection to MI Hope owned by JM)

    Too many to list here.
     
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    rvallee Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I saw it yesterday and decided it was not worth posting. It's a mess of various things, I'm not really sure what is the actual point because it veers in too many directions.
     
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  8. Trish

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    I think it's pretty clear the actual point is he's a quack selling quack nonsense, and dressing it up as science by doing a very poor quality literature search and making stuff up.
    The thing that puzzles me is that it got published in what looks like a genuine journal.
     
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    Its published in "Journal of Infectious Diseases and Epidemiology" https://clinmedjournals.org/Journal-of-Infectious-Diseases-and-Epidemiology.php
    This looks to me to have all the hallmarks of a predatory journal (that is, makes its money by publishing sub-quality articles with a superficial "peer review").

    The publisher is also listed on this list of predatory publishers.
     
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    Snow Leopard Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Seems more than a little implausible...
     

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