Coronavirus - worldwide spread and control

FYI - The US has a huge number of test samples taken that are not resulted. One test company alone, Quest has a backlog of 110,000+ tests to result. California has the highest backlog. This will be distorting the real results (except for deaths).

 

It can apparently kill very young too.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1245718351218765824

 

An Outbreak of Human Coronavirus OC43 and ...
Patrick et al 2006

from the abstract, full article available

 

Investigating the impact of influenza on excess mortalitiy on all ages In Itlay during recent seasons ...
Rosano et al 2019

from the abstract, full article available

 

And so it seems is Public Health England or whatever they are called.

This really does look to be the root of the problem. Elsewhere in Guardian coverage it says that the NHS are saying Ministers should be organising the testing through private outsourcing and Ministers are saying PHE should be organising it.
The NHS has been underfunded by £60B a year for several years. Now we have £330B made avaialable to bail out businesses but nothing for the NHS other than a 'waiving' of a tiny amount.

 

The Swedes take a different pathway.
To Swedes, it’s the rest of the world engaging in a reckless experiment
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_AvGtQ9yJ4lK5

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Here are the latest numbers of new cases and deaths in Sweden

621 - 69 ........... yesterday
512 - 59
407 - 34
328 - 36
253 - 05
378
229 - 28

first case might have been at begin of march
first death might have been at march 11th, if I got it rightly

and then they say, that this may reflect only the spread of the virus under the population and the dying, and not be a relevant exceed mortality.

 

It’s a good article. I think this is a key point:

 

They’re still at it.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1245757424264495107


https://twitter.com/user/status/1245750923957350400


And then..

https://twitter.com/user/status/1245390868216975360

 

Community deaths in the UK released by the ONS, which weren’t counted in the official figures:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1246033195327463424

 

Check out Atul Gawande's comments (they are referenced on this site) in one Asian country they have documented a large number of cases where multiple medical staff were unknowingly exposed to people with coronavirus and not been infected i.e. provided they wore a surgical mask and gloves (scrubs?). So provided a surgical mask and gloves are available then presumably the risk is reduced significantly --- assuming you have "surgical mask and gloves" of course.

Atul talks about not needing the "full Wuhan".

Search here for "Atul" and you should be able to find a link to the New York Times article.

Trying to be helpful - good luck.

 

If the Government creates a system (e.g. devolving power to Public Health England - PHE) and the coronavirus pandemic shows that it doesn't work, then the Government should review and revise the system. In the meantime they should direct PHE/NHS or whoever else to do ---.

Yes the real problem is that they haven't been funding the health service, while being creative with the numbers to make it appear that they have, and now that policy has rebounded on them & more importantly us!

Yes, I see what you mean "£13.4 billion debt write-off" for NHS versus £330B to bail out businesses, shows where your priorities are!

 

https://twitter.com/user/status/1245999404257067008


“But today he refused to guarantee it will happen, saying it is only a "plan" and a "goal".

And he refused to say he will resign if there aren't 100,000 a tests by May. He told LBC radio: "It's much more than about that. It's about getting the country out of this situation we're in."

Mr Hancock also clarified his 100,000 target might include both swab tests - which show if you currently have the virus - and antibody tests which show if you might be immune.

That means it can't be compared to the previous target of 25,000 tests a day - which only included swab tests.”

At the moment I’m more concerned about the fact we haven’t even reached 10,000 let alone 25,000. “More than three weeks ago NHS England announced it would scale up testing capacity to 10,000 a day, but the number of people tested has struggled to pass 8,000 a day.” - Telegraph.

 

It reminded me of the thermometer boards that used to sit outside practically all churches, denoting how much of the goal had been achieved towards the new roof fund.

The way to attract new interest, and hopefully new funds (from the small section of the community that had already given), was to increase the goal amount.

That after a few decades always fell down in a storm, on one occasion injuring a man of the cloth (sorry, while ago, can't remember if he was a minster, a reverend, a vicar etc.).

Interesting way to run a testing program, but if in doubt go with the way we know doesn't work, as it's the way it's always been done in the UK.

 

Matt Hancock was on Question Time last night, and meeting people, 7 days after testing positive for COVID-19. That’s just one person. There will obviously be many more going out and about after 7 days.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1246048745915125760

 

Thanks. I appreciate where you're coming from. However, many hospitals are still full of sick people who do not have coronavirus. They may well make a full or very good recovery, but at this point in time they are very vulnerable to complications or possibly death if they contract covid 19.

Babies are still being born, sadly some of them born with health conditions, people are still in cardiac, oncology and all sorts of other wards. Keeping those wards covid free is vital. This is where I feel healthcare staff should be tested.

The ones treating covid patients, sure they should have whatever equipment they need to keep themselves and their patients safe. They should have whatever masks etc are needed.

Staff on an oncology ward or neonatal staff or whatever may not need the all the protective gear, freeing it for frontline emergency staff or those treating covd patients if they know their patients are clear coming into the ward. From my relative's experience they are testing patients before allowing them to be transferred to the specialist ward.

Just like the rest of us though, an neonatal or oncology nurse or doctor could be exposed via a child or partner etc. So if they can be tested as clear, work can continue safely on specialist non covid wards.

 

Ah, but they could just follow the IAPT strategy and blatantly lie about it. Make it a target. Say you "met" the target. Who's going to contradict you? Just gag them. Move the goalposts. Once it's allowed once, especially for such a big project as IAPT, it quickly becomes habitual, even necessary, to protect the institutions (well, the reputation of their leadership but whatever). Very likely already is.

Which is kinda relevant with Horton and his "duty of candor" comment. What if those people actually believed what they are saying? They can claim to be candid, because it may be what they believe. And we know that "may be" and "could be" is now a perfectly acceptable evidence-based standard, thanks in part to Horton himself. They may even believe themselves asserting their candor while they're lying about their lack of candor. It's not a lie if you believe it, after all. Just as Horton dispelled with all his duties, on candor and many more, on PACE because he believes in this stuff and allowed blatant lies to sell the model. Ideology always comes with friends, once you let it in the door they all come crashing in. Some of them are a little less wishy-washy about their intentions.

The reign of error of the behaviorists is the monster Horton helped create, or facilitated along the way.

 

Costello says it as it is, again;

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...herd-immunity-community-surveillance-covid-19

It is not too late but the UK government advisors appear to be deaf to the advice of someone highly qualified who has common sense..

He seems to confirm that the government moved to phase 2 and suppression without contact tracing because right from the start they realised they did not have the testing capability to make contact tracing work.

 

A man who boasted that he spent two hours walking through his local hospital to see how bad things were for himself has been jailed for three months.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/03/man-jailed-visiting-hospital-no-good-reason-facebook-boasts-12503535/