Criticisms of DecodeME in the media - and responses to the criticisms

So isn't the argument simply: If you want large genetic studies of ME/CFS with rectruitment based on diagnosis, you have to have clinicans decidated to ME/CFS spread across the country? Instead of focusing on a possible shortcoming should the response not be: Yes, now is the time to give us a GWAS where the diagnosis is made by dedicated clinicans that know what they are doing! We'd all happily sign up for that, please get the wheels moving now.
Some sort of... plan? That would... deliver better outcomes, uh? It would involve targets and work to address specific shortcomings such as this? There's an idea there, if only there were some... people... organized in some fashion who could... you know... think of something here? Ah well.
 
I've gone through the last few pages of comments mainly focussing on the Reuters and Newsweek media reports with particular regard to Wessely's response regarding anxiety and depression, and genetic results.

In the forefront of my mind is the current 56 day period for DHSC to respond to the new Prevention of Future Deaths Report following the death of Sarah Lewis who died a year ago today - Severe ME Awareness Day. It also flags up the weak Final Delivery Plan and my concerns I have about the NIHR HERITAGE plan.

In all media reports, Prof Chris Ponting and others have vigorously stressed that biomedical research in ME/CFS is way behind other diseases, the need for urgent 'laser like' focus on the clues which DecodeME point to, and urgent action and significant funding for it.

The only seriously negative voices about the pre-print DecodesME initial results, and the important next steps needed is Carson (in the SMC), un-named scientists in the Reuters article, and Wessely in the Newsweek article.

This won't be any surprise to pwME as the pages in this thread illustrate.

Wessely is - and Jonathan also suggests, talking publicly to his fellow BPS people - but also other audiences - not just patients. A fact which we all know has been a well used tactic in media interviews, effectively used by him and others when addressing ME/CFS for decades.

Bearing this in mind, of most concern to me is the fact that the Newsweek article refers to Wessely as only a 'Professor of Psychological Medicine' at King's College, he is also :

  1. a non executive NHS England Board member since 2023 and his 3 term there will expire in 2026. He held that position when NHSEngland received the Prevention of Future Deaths Report in respect of Maeve Boothby-O'Neill.
  2. Emeritus Senior Investigator at the NIHR.
  3. He is a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians, Royal College of Psychiatrists and Academy of Medical Sciences.
  4. In 2021 he became a Fellow of the Royal Society.
  5. His is the first ever Regius Chair to be appointed at King's College London, and the first Regius Chair of Psychiatry in the United Kingdom.
  6. He established the King’s Centre for Military Health Research in 1996, and remains the Co-director.
  7. Since 2013 has been the Director of the PHE NIHR Health Protection Unit for Emergency Response and Preparedness, which has been very active during the COVID-19 crisis.
  8. He is a Past President of the Royal College of Psychiatrists and the Royal Society of Medicine
  9. Long term adviser to government departments.
These are the multiple organisations and public bodies he is speaking to. At the bottom of that list is people with ME/CFS and their families.

I've pulled together some thread comments to highlight why I think we should not merely brush the media comments off, and suggest what areas in the immediate future these will no doubt impact, such as implementation of the Final Delivery Plan (such as it is) and the NIHR HERITAGE programme into 'existing service', creating an NSF and educational materials. So as not to clog up the thread I've put in a spoiler.

I specifically excluded the reference to 'depression' in Beresford's website as I wanted to wait and see how any media responses would deal with 'anxiety' and depression separately. Bearing in mind the recent thread on the MS research on the forum., and the recent research into different forms of fatigue affecting certain types of Cancer patients. Can't look for forum links at the moment.

Both these patients groups are treated in the Long term fatigue clinics 'existing services'.






My bold emphasis in the comment above is not only to protect the field of treatment in ME/CFS, because it should be remembered that:

  • not only would he, as part of NHSE, been a recipient of the PFD Report from Maeve, (NHSE was not a recipient of the PFD eport for Sarah Lewis which has to be responded to the Cororner by 2 September 2025), but the DHSC was , but is also
  • Emeritus Senior Investigator at the NIHR and is highly likely to be involved in preparing the National Service Framework for ME/CFS which will likely also now include Post Covid 19 Syndrome (Long Covid) and producing educational materials for the 'existing services'.





Yes, the impact of his various positions should be made very clear, particularly in view of Prof Chris Ponting's comments about 15 years late in
research, anxiety and depression etc. and those of Prof Anthony Komaroff in the article.





I'm not aware of any but there has long been research into Anxiety, Depression and Personality type D as predictors of disease severity?

Is personality type D assessment, being used as a mental health predictor of disease severity being excluded from the consent process on the grounds of ‘therapuetic exception’?

Lack of informed consent is the epitome of medical gaslighting unique to ME/CFS for decades, because it confirms beyond reasonable doubt that ME/CFS was, still is, and will continue to be viewed as PRIMARILY a mental health condition in the BPS, re-framed as mind-body, (on the surface masking the psychiatric emphasis on psychology confirming why it remains in the 2025 Kumar and Clarke medical textbook under mental health services and liaison psychiatry).

It contributes significantly to the harm caused by ‘existing treatment’ paradigm – which ignores the 2021 NICE Guideline ng206 - raised repeatedly over decades in patient safety concerns, and deaths.

It is this existing treatment paradigm which is to be investigated under the NIHR HERITAGE progamme which will include the creation of a National Service Framework and educational materials.

The 2021 NICE Guideline ng206 limits CBT to help with anxiety and depression, if requested by the Patient. THIS is the core of the issue with existing treatment where all existing services include the following as mandatory in it's 'pragmatic rehabilitation' of ALL levels of severerity of ME/CFS., applied at progressing degrees of intensity as severity increases, i.e. sectioning. It is the entire basis on which treatment for ME/CFS has always been framed.

Cardiovascular disease also includes long term fatigue, where suggestions to Personality Type D as a predictor of adverse outcomes has long been drawn.

For example during the same 15 year period Chris Ponting talks about, while CBT ME/CFS specific, Activity Management and GET comprised the entire treatment regime, alongside standard medical care for ME/CFS; this was going on in connection with cardiovascular research:



Published in Psychology Today on 7 August 2025 - Personality, Mental Health, and the Heart: It's a Puzzle | Psychology Today





Published in August 2011 - Personality type D and vulnerability to adverse outcomes in heart disease August 2011: https://www.ccjm.org/content/ccjom/78/8_suppl_1/S13.full.pd Authors JOHAN DENOLLET, PhD CoRPS–Center of Research on Psychology in Somatic diseases, Tilburg University, Tilburg, The Netherlands; Department of Cardiology, Antwerp University Hospital, Antwerp, Belgium VIVIANE M. CONRAADS, MD, PhD Department of Cardiology, Antwerp University Hospital, Antwerp, Belgium

















Therefore, 'anxiety impedes recovery' can only mean that without CBT as a mandatory part of treatment - e.g. instruction to ignore NICE Guideline ng206 - severity increases, and worse, due to patient's personality type alone, and not because of lack of biomedical and genetic research.

Given that there has been a further PFD Report following the death of Sarah Lewis, which would fit the risks connected with a personality type D assessment both on severity and cause of death.

They are not accountable and have nothing to apologise for, therefore, carry on regardless of DecodeME initial results.








They (BPS proponents) now re-framed as 'mind-body' with (less obvious emphasis on the psychological/psychiatric) borrow from the mind-body-spirit movement which arrived in the west in complementary therapy in the 1970s. Little response from them apart from the above to the pre-print initial results of DecodeME as noted below.





My feeling is that the Final Delivery Plan and the NIHR HERITAGE programme as mentioned above, and the fact that the eLearning produced under the Plan not being mandatory means they're not that bothered as 'there is a plan'.

Why on earth would Wessely, a 'professor of psychology' and psychiatrist (who vigorously defended the results of the PACE trial into an illness which has significant suicide numbers) state publicly in the Newsweek article:





Eleanor highlights a reason why:





Wessely clearly made that statement without the people suffering with ME/CFS in the forefront of his mind at the time. Nothing is more destructive to hope than being effectively told 'don't hold your breath waiting'.

As Sean stated 'look at what he actually does, very consistently':







I don't think we can afford to ignore the potential impact and meaning behind his public comments because of the NIHR HERITAGE programme.




As Amw66 points out, there is now a new need for research into cost effectiveness of 'existing services' and is, at least partly, why this is included as part of the NIHR HERITAGE programme.

Anyway, these are my thoughts. I can't do anymore for a while, the last two days and this has wiped me out.

ETA: thread comments included up to page 12 I think. Anything after that I haven't see as it's taken me all day to do this. Have also tidied it up with larger paragraph breaks for easier read.
@Maat nice to see you here again, was wondering how you were doing!
 
“More importantly however no-one really knows what is wrong with the patients. Diagnosis was done by questionnaire and this has a significant error rate.

Are they omitting the FACT that it was saliva that was tested to get the results of the Decode study? As I see it the questionnaire is important but not as important that these findings were due to the analysis of our saliva not the questionnaire. Maybe that fact isn't convenient for them to acknowledge as it makes their conclusions meaningless in my opinion.

Also I believe that many samples weren't accepted or rather people weren't asked for samples if the questionnaires didn't meet the strict criteria for this study but maybe that is another fact they chose to ignore preferring their ignorant asumptions as usual.
 
My (slightly edited) letter in The Times today, and one from Andrew Millar: https://www.thetimes.com/comment/le...letters-supreme-court-gender-ruling-d270xjch2

Hope for ME​

Sir, Chris Ponting says that medical misogyny has held back research in myalgic encephalomyelitis (News, Aug 8), but appropriate scepticism of scantily evidenced claims may also have contributed. Histopathology pre-dates genetic testing in medical research and remains a diagnostic linchpin. No study has shown microscopic evidence of diseased muscles (myalgic) or the central nervous system (encephalomyelitis). The finding of clusters of genes associated with ME does not prove they are part of a disease pathway, or what that pathway is. Professor Ponting is to be congratulated and encouraged but he has plenty more research to do to demonstrate the disease process.
Andrew Millar
Wallingford, Oxon

Sir, As someone who has been severely disabled by ME for more than 30 years, I was delighted to read about the results of DecodeME. However, Chris Ponting is right to express anger that this type of genetic analysis was not done 15 years ago. As you reported (News, Jul 22), after a three-year delay, the Department of Health and Social Care has published its dismal delivery plan for ME, but it included no commitment to funding and no pathway to providing adequate services. For decades, governments have told us they are committed to helping people with ME, but all the evidence suggests the opposite.
DecodeME has given me and millions of others hope. The time has long since passed for the government, funding bodies, medical institutions and individuals to acknowledge their mistakes, apologise to patients, and act to ensure that quality scientific research is sharply increased and patients are given access to appropriate physician-led services.
Robert Saunders
Balcombe, W Sussex

Not sure who Andrew Millar is.

BlueSky post sharing the letters:
 

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"The finding of clusters of genes associated with ME does not prove they are part of a disease pathway"

Wrong.
They must be, because they are by definition antecedents.
Which genes and what they do is another matter but this guy is from the age of diplodocus.
The fact that histopathology precedes genetics is no more relevant than pigeon post preceding WIFI.

He is only talking to himself. But he may confuse others.
 
Andrew Millar seems to be this guy:


A big cheese in British Biotech in 1998 who set up an Oxford Biotech company but does not seem to have been heard of since 1999.
Perhaps somebody's friend who has been asked for a favour?
 
Interesting to see that Carson really doesn't understand at all what has been going on.
What DecodeME shows is that if you take a group of people defined by answering a questionnaire (and a medical opinion along the same lines, but we can even forget that) about a cluster of symptoms which some professionals think might be based on a common process, they turn out to have an identifiable genetic signature that demonstrates that the questionnaire is identifying a real, communal, 'something wrong' that until now has been purely a hunch.

The questionnaires cannot have a definable 'error rate' if nobody knew what, if anything, wrong the people had in common. Presumably Carson is assuming that they had a functional disorder and that the questionnaire might get that wrong?
 
What DecodeME shows is that if you take a group of people defined by answering a questionnaire (and a medical opinion along the same lines, but we can even forget that) about a cluster of symptoms which some professionals think might be based on a common process, they turn out to have an identifiable genetic signature that demonstrates that the questionnaire is identifying a real, communal, 'something wrong' that until now has been purely a hunch.
I do think that this is something important that is being missed by a lot of people at the moment; understandably so with all the excitement focused on the genetic results. Perhaps we need to put more emphasis on it in our communications.
 
Then there is the criticism from Andrew Millar, one time head of a Biotech concern, who thinks genes may not be causal and that histologically normal brains exclude 'encephalomyelitis' (which is largely true but completely non-sequitur).
This the letter in question: https://www.thetimes.com/comment/le...etters-supreme-court-gender-ruling-d270xjch2m

Sir, Chris Ponting says that medical misogyny has held back research in myalgic encephalomyelitis (News, Aug 8), but appropriate scepticism of scantily evidenced claims may also have contributed. Histopathology pre-dates genetic testing in medical research and remains a diagnostic linchpin. No study has shown microscopic evidence of diseased muscles (myalgic) or the central nervous system (encephalomyelitis). The finding of clusters of genes associated with ME does not prove they are part of a disease pathway, or what that pathway is. Professor Ponting is to be congratulated and encouraged but he has plenty more research to do to demonstrate the disease process.
Andrew Millar
Wallingford, Oxon

Also shared on 'DecodeME in the media'
thread: https://www.s4me.info/threads/decodeme-in-the-media.45467/post-631872

[Edited to correct link to thread] Mod note: now moved to this thread
 
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Interesting to see that Carson really doesn't understand at all what has been going on.
What DecodeME shows is that if you take a group of people defined by answering a questionnaire (and a medical opinion along the same lines, but we can even forget that) about a cluster of symptoms which some professionals think might be based on a common process, they turn out to have an identifiable genetic signature that demonstrates that the questionnaire is identifying a real, communal, 'something wrong' that until now has been purely a hunch.
Exactly. The results validate the selection process!
 
This couching is I think a faux pas. It just makes him look sexist/misogynistic himself. And hasn't the Wüst study found objective muscle damage? And arguing about the name is not the point and looks petty.

Eta one of the almost revolutionary things about Decode was shock-horror listening to and believing ME patient reports, rather than casting them as false or unreliable witnesses (as Carson also attempts) this is not a study weakness but to be commended. Not all disease processes can be seen with a microscope.

I do hope someone manages to writes a pithy reply to this.
 
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Alan Carson on X:

As far as i m aware no randomised trial has ever shown pacing to be superior to graded exercise

‘Bottom up’ incoming signals which be of our internal state ‘interoception’ our movement in the world ‘proprioceptio’ our our awareness if the external world ‘exteroception’. Our prior expection and attentional ‘spitlight’ has a significant preconscious modifying effect

So if a patients says i feel fatigue that will be a combination of those fsctors. The top down influences will be a combination of genetics and the totality of life experience and in some cases specific disease distortions- every experience will be unique between subjects 3/n

Of course people will be right on occasions sometimes because they’re correct and sometimes liked a stopoed clock by chance. BUT critically that gives ideas to test it is not the answer for the latter we need proper trials

But also temporally within a subject. So if a patient says i feel fatigue yes i believe them, if they say because i feel fatigue i know this is mitochondrial dysfunction and treatment a works and b doesn’t, i have this unique insight, i say impossible 4/n

 
So if a patient says i feel fatigue yes i believe them, if they say because i feel fatigue i know this is mitochondrial dysfunction and treatment a works and b doesn’t, i have this unique insight, i say impossible 4/n
Carson should take his own advice - he doesn’t have unique insight either.

So maybe we should at least trust the patients when they say that X doesn’t work for them. Their reasoning for why might be wrong, but their conclusion can still be right, because the reasoning is an after the fact attempt at explaining the perceived effect.
 
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