Do you sleep more as you become more severe?

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    Jaybee00 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I’m sleeping more during the day, and probably less during the night—I assume this is associated with increasing severity?

    Do severe/very severe bed bound people spend most of the day sleeping or are they mostly awake and resting while awake?

    On this live Physics Girl webcast there is a big disclaimer that she is resting but NOT sleeping….She is severe.
     
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    alktipping Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    My sleep has been reversed for the last seven years since i became severe . Do not know if this is very common but have seen many reports of sleep reversal.
     
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    Jaybee00 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    What do you mean by reversed? Sleep all day, awake at night?
     
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    alktipping Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I wish i could have a prolonged sleep but it is very broken . I now sleep on and off through the day . today i did not get up till nine pm .I did not feel tired enough to go to bed till midday .
     
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    I found that the more severe I got, the less sleep I was able to achieve. At my most severe, it was taking approx 3 hours to get to sleep and then waking constantly all night, getting about 15 minutes of sleep at a time. Now that I am more moderate (severe-ish end of moderate) I get to sleep in about an hour and wake up 2 or 3 times a night. I've never had sleep reversal nor felt like sleeping during the day.

    (Boy do I miss the distant pre-ME days of just going to bed, sleeping for 8 hours and waking refreshed in the morning. Feels hard to believe that getting a normal night's sleep used to be so simple!)
     
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    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Over the thirty years of my ME I have experienced what seems like every possible variation of sleep disturbance from hypersomnia via sleep reversal to insomnia, but overall I don’t think there any simple linear relationship between severity of my ME and the amount of sleep I am able to get. I have had insomnia and/or disrupted sleep patterns when mild and also when severe. Generally I did find when I was recording my activity levels that disrupted sleep patterns are a feature of PEM, but generally at such time my total amounts of sleep were, though fragmented, a pretty constant six to eight hours a day, even if I mistakenly felt I was sleeping more. If I was objectively sleeping less for a day or so it was followed by a rebound of extra sleep over the next few days. Certainly over a week my sleep levels would average to the normal six to eight regardless of what time of day the sleep periods occurred.

    My ME is of the relapsing and remitting form, though over time relapses have been worse and remissions involve less improvement, giving an overall trend of deterioration. For me subjectively, beyond the association of disrupted sleep patterns linked to PEM, the only time I have experienced a potential pattern is with hypersomnia or marked increased sleep over a twenty four hour period occurring when I believe there were marked deteriorations in my underlying ME. This was clearly the case initially following the original active EBV trigger for my ME and following the seasonal flue that triggered my first major relapse when I could be sleeping as much as twenty hours a day. Subjectively it has also been to a lesser extent associated with relapses associated with specific episodes of over exertion or relapses with a more gradual onset. However in these situations the increase in sleeping time was less marked and I have no evidence that this was definitely an objective phenomenon.

    In summary - Though my sleep patterns can be very variable and PEM is associated with disrupted sleep patterns, at such times it can feel subjectively I am sleeping more. However when I have recorded it although sleep invades more of my day I am sleeping pretty much the normal totals over a several day period. At any one time the total amount of sleep I need does not seem to bear any simple linear relationship to the current severity of my ME.

    In contrast I do believe that when a deterioration in my underlying condition is actively happening, then I do sleep more, for example sleeping as much as twenty hours a day following acute viral infections.
     
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    Creekside Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I haven't noticed any correlation between severity and sleep length or quality.
     
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