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Editorial: Concern for Covid-19 cough, fever and impact on mental health. What about risk of Somatic Symptom Disorder? 2021, Willis & Chalder

Discussion in 'Epidemics (including Covid-19)' started by John Mac, Feb 1, 2021.

  1. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09638237.2021.1875418
     
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    And there we go. Blatant. These people simply can’t help themselves in applying their b s thinking to anything that moves.

    Needs bringing to the attention of the Long Covid community
     
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    And how do they explain COVID deaths? What about death when one is in a medically induced coma re COVID?
     
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    This is why I rely on HDD's and USB flash drives instead of SSD's. ;)
     
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    It appears to be an effort on the part of MUS campaigners to colonize the category of all those suffering from non-specific symptoms for more than a certain period of time after a confirmed or suspected case of Covid-19. They are planting their flag on this territory building on questionable previous research.
     
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    Watch it fly

    ETA I wonder if Dr Alwan (?) has seen this, or has any comprehension of what us potentially coming down the line in UK
     
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    It's M.E. Linda Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Tweeted Dr Alwan.
     
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    It's M.E. Linda Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Does anyone please know how I can share this without giving them the ‘traffic’ of reads, or does this only apply when we are trying not to give newspaper articles the views? sorry, not ‘best brain’ available today.

    Happy to share warnings of this to LC community on twitter, should I include any other evidence eg @Tom Kindlon studies??
     
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    It's even worse than I imagined. I have just waded through this drivel.

    It repeats all the old stuff about 'psychological, social and behavioural factors' being implicated in causing and perpetuating 'somatic symptom disorder' in which they include CFS and long Covid. And recommends IAPT and concludes that more research of the same crappy sort they have been doing for 30 years should be done with people with long Covid.

    :arghh:
     
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    That Candy study doesn't demonstrate much. It was a small study and they tend not to mention that there was no significant difference in questionnaire scores at 12 months (the control group just got a leaflet telling then about EBV).

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    More info here: https://www.s4me.info/threads/2003-...in-infectious-mononucleosis.8644/#post-152392
     
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    They can't even provide any evidence that this is of any use beyond the fact that people, mostly themselves, have been using it. It's the same recycled drivel they have been saying for 3 decades. Completely unchanged. I especially love that they quote this: “excessive, disproportionate or maladaptive”.

    Who are they quoting? Themselves. And a judgment call that no human being has the ability to do. They are claiming mind-reading abilities.

    As usual it's not that someone says anything this stupid, it's that it gets published and discussed, albeit superficially, by people who genuinely want to apply astrology-level nonsense in real life.

    If there were justice in the world, these people would be sentenced to punishment based on a wheel spin. Just completely arbitrary and ideally built for maximum ironic cruelty.
     
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    Moved from the long Covid thread

    Trial By Error: New Biopsychosocial Paper on Long-Covid and Somatic Symptom Disorder
    https://www.virology.ws/2021/02/09/...r-on-long-covid-and-somatic-symptom-disorder/
     
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    From Mr Tuller's post:
    Exactly. It is their standard operating procedure: make a brief note of the limitation, then ignore it in their conclusions and recommendations.

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    From the comment left by CT:

    It seems that 38.2% of cardiology patients initially diagnosed with MUS were misdiagnosed, but this somehow doesn’t matter?!

    That is an awful lot of delay in diagnosis and treatment of a serious major killer. How that improves outcomes for it, or the rest of society, escapes me.
     
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    Delays in diagnosis for common neurological diseases are already several years on average. This will make it all so much worse. It's baffling that people whose job it is to think about that don't see it (or aren't concerned by it, hard to say which). Especially as they harp against biomedical research for being hard, the only thing that makes any significant progress in medicine. This here is pure regression.
     
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    I too love to just put labels and boxes in random orders to make what I guess must be some kind of point here.

    Not sure how a CBT expert is also an expert in chronic illness but whatever it's not as if labels matter or something.

     
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