Cheshire
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How LGBTQ+ People Are Successfully Fighting Against Conversion Therapy
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Alvin
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Thats disturbing, that therapist should also lose their license and be barred for life.
The reason those lawsuits succeeded is becasue
We have no disease mechanism or biomarker, only a bunch of test results that indicate that things are awol and a collection of symptoms. So we may win but we could also lose. On the other hand once we have a biomarker or better yet disease mechanism we would much more easily win such lawsuits because hindsight is excellent at convincing people (it is 20/20 after all). The difference is between patients say something and patients said something to people who refused to listen that was ultimately proven correct.
Imagine a case in the future where we sue, and we have a disease mechanism, a list of a clinicians harms, a retracted PACE trial and we show that a patient was dismissed and treated with something that patients have said makes them worse and the disease mechanism proving it while the clinician(s) systematically ignored patients and the state took them away to force treatment on them thats now proven to make them worse. We would be much more likely to win such a case.
That said we do have lots of circumstantial evidence already but trying such a case would not be close to a slam dunk today.
The reason those lawsuits succeeded is becasue
We have no disease mechanism or biomarker, only a bunch of test results that indicate that things are awol and a collection of symptoms. So we may win but we could also lose. On the other hand once we have a biomarker or better yet disease mechanism we would much more easily win such lawsuits because hindsight is excellent at convincing people (it is 20/20 after all). The difference is between patients say something and patients said something to people who refused to listen that was ultimately proven correct.
Imagine a case in the future where we sue, and we have a disease mechanism, a list of a clinicians harms, a retracted PACE trial and we show that a patient was dismissed and treated with something that patients have said makes them worse and the disease mechanism proving it while the clinician(s) systematically ignored patients and the state took them away to force treatment on them thats now proven to make them worse. We would be much more likely to win such a case.
That said we do have lots of circumstantial evidence already but trying such a case would not be close to a slam dunk today.
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Seven
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If you bring to judge your serum, put one of judges cells in your serum on a big tv and show the judge how his cells poops on your serum, would be a win I would say! 
2) get a juror or anybody to perform a 2 day Cpet test ( healthy vs you) you could prove Cfs.
3) get a professional Cfs doctor to show your citokine profile vs healthy control....
I don’t know why plp think we have not demonstrative tests. We do, they might not apply to all subgroups but when comes down to prove, you can zero out on the plp involve and find the unarguable differences(acepted by the wide medical stablishment ).
2) get a juror or anybody to perform a 2 day Cpet test ( healthy vs you) you could prove Cfs.
3) get a professional Cfs doctor to show your citokine profile vs healthy control....
I don’t know why plp think we have not demonstrative tests. We do, they might not apply to all subgroups but when comes down to prove, you can zero out on the plp involve and find the unarguable differences(acepted by the wide medical stablishment ).