Is Long Covid psycho-behavioural or biological? The current state of evidence, 18th March 2025, David Joffe and David Tuller

[Deanne NZ]

https://www.kirby.unsw.edu.au/event...avioural-or-biological-current-state-evidence

An in person & online event (registration required) with presenters Dr David Joffe & Dr David Tuller @dave30th on Tuesday 18 March 2025.

That title will no doubt catch out a few from the BPS crowd who will be surprised by the content.

 

[Utsikt]

That title will no doubt catch out a few from the BPS crowd who will be surprised by the content.

I clicked the title of the thread and fully expected to read something by the BPS lobby.

 

[Utsikt]

@dave30th will the materials be made public afterward? Will the event be recorded?

 

[dave30th]

Hey I'm in Australia now--I hadn't realizerd they'd posted that. I'm pretty sure it will be recorded and available, but I'll know more later. Yes, the title sort of makes it sound like one of us is defending pathophsiological approach and the other defending the psychobehavioral approach I hope the description makes it clear that that's now what I'm doing. The title could be misleading in that senses, I guess. Truthfully, I'm not talking about what LC is--I'm talking about studies of treatments that are bad. We have an hour, so I think David and I will each have 20 min, and then 20 for questions. it's not a lot of time.

The next week in Melbourne I'm also doing an event at Emerge that I think will be livecast. Then I'm going to Perth for a few days to see Alem Matthees and his mum, Helen, and family. I felt it would not be cool to come all this way and not take the extra few hours to fly out west. I'm very looking forward to seeing them.

 

[alktipping]

Hey I'm in Australia now--I hadn't realizerd they'd posted that. I'm pretty sure it will be recorded and available, but I'll know more later. Yes, the title sort of makes it sound like one of us is defending pathophsiological approach and the other defending the psychobehavioral approach I hope the description makes it clear that that's now what I'm doing. The title could be misleading in that senses, I guess. Truthfully, I'm not talking about what LC is--I'm talking about studies of treatments that are bad. We have an hour, so I think David and I will each have 20 min, and then 20 for questions. it's not a lot of time.

The next week in Melbourne I'm also doing an event at Emerge that I think will be livecast. Then I'm going to Perth for a few days to see Alem Matthees and his mum, Helen, and family. I felt it would not be cool to come all this way and not take the extra few hours to fly out west. I'm very looking forward to seeing them.

Pease express our gratitude and best wishes to Alem M athews . thanks .

 

[MrMagoo]

Pease express our gratitude and best wishes to Alem M athews . thanks .

Yes, he should know he is still thought of and we appreciate him.

 

[dave30th]

Yes, he should know he is still thought of and we appreciate him

yes, exactly.

 

[Sasha]

I often think of Alem and what an amazing thing he did for us, despite being so incredibly ill.

 

[Nightsong]

"Trial By Error: My 2018 Post on Andrew Lloyd’s Memory Lapses, Revisited"

Yesterday, in Sydney, I gave a presentation at the Kirby Institute, a renowned research center at the University of New South Wales, along with my friend and colleague Dr David Joffe, a respiratory medicine specialist. David spoke about the pathophysiology of Long Covid as well as the enormous economic burden of the disease. I spoke about the problems with the clinical trials of psycho-behavioral interventions—specifically, the infamous PACE trial for ME/CFS and the recent REGAIN trial for Long Covid. (More on this when the event is posted online in the next day or two.)

https://virology.ws/2025/03/19/trial-by-error-my-2018-post-on-andrew-lloyds-memory-lapses-revisited/

 

[MrMagoo]

Looking forward to the lecture being posted in the next few days.

 

[dave30th]

 

[Arvo]

Good talk (flamboyant hand gesture incident and all), pity time ran out in the end.


(Edited to add, also: the statements regarding the situation in America moved me.)

 

[dave30th]

(Edited to add, also: the statements regarding the situation in America moved me.)

it is horrifying. Academic departments are just gutted. No idea what will happen.

 

[Arvo]

it is horrifying. Academic departments are just gutted. No idea what will happen.

It's terrible to witness, it must be so surreal and utterly devastating to experience.

 

[dave30th]

It's terrible to witness, it must be so surreal and utterly devastating to experience.

devastating and surreal. It feels like the end of the American experiment.