ME/CFS International Research Symposium, March 2019, Australia

1 I will send you a PM

2 It can but I have not found that yet. Other peroxides are a possibility

4 Levamisole scavenges hydrogen peroxide and superoxide.

@lansbergen

you mean, there is an invader and the immune system tries to fight that with producing endogenous hydrogen peroxide.

1) what invader could that be, that even resists high doses of hydrogen peroxide ?

2) why do you think its hydrogen peroxide ? the body could perhaps produce other things (too) ?

3) should be easy to figure if someone has too much hydrogen peroxide ?
e.g. just take some mms (miracle something supplement) - if it makes you vomit, you may have to0 much endogenous hydrogen peroxide already ?

4) why would levamisole help with too much hydrogen peroxide issues ?

(sorry, if i misunderstood what you were saying)
 
I think 2 tried it for a short periode.

It has a bad reputation. I hasitated a long time because all the medical trained people I discussed it with warned me for the danger. When I was dying anyway the danger was the least of my worries.
I understand, i am not ready to try highly dangerous things but if i was near death the calculus changes.
 
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Try this for cheering you up, a message from Jo Cambridge on Flinders Island in the Tasman Sea this morning:

Having fab time on Flinders. Riding down the beach and through the bush. Lots of snakes, wallabies and occasional wombats. Sian and you would love it here too I think. Beautiful and free of people!

EMERGE meeting in Geelong was excellent…good science and really nice and professional charity – Heidi is excellent CEO. I have been invited to do a short sabbatical at La Trobe to sort out their B cell lines….tempted. Do you know Robeert Phair? Bright chap – and also had nice chat with your Maths mate…Travis who sends best regards. All looking very positive and metabolism angles …fits with our data. Underlying cause of course not known (!!!). I do think however that Ca traps may be worth following up and the kallikreunin pathway of Mady Hornigs is rearing up again..

Hope you are well – back next Wednesday.

Heidi is indeed an excellent CEO, and Emerge is doing great work.
 
Maybe it’s a FOXO1 trap
There’s many pathways under its control,I just saw that insulin and leptin are mentioned and remember leptin mentioned in M.E
 
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Also in the question time was the mention of an Adelaide professor, Marmion?, now deceased. He seemed to have been well regarded. He apparently found evidence of the Q fever bacteria (perhaps whole bacteria, perhaps polysaccharide debris) in the bone marrow of QFS patients and hypothesised that this was the cause of the ongoing symptoms.

I understand he was, he did Alison Hunter’s autopsy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27091026/

Professor Barrie Marmion founded the Adelaide Q-fever Research Group in 1980 and developed the highly effective Q-fever vaccine prophylaxis programs with CSL Ltd and State Health Departments. During 1953-56 together with Sir Michael Stoker FRS Cambridge they had identified subacute Q-fever endocarditis as the first recognised long-term sequel to acute Q-fever. Professor Marmion later identified the post Q-fever (infection) fatigue syndrome (QFS) as a second significant chronic complication, with the influence of immunogenetic variation on the development of QFS and Q-fever endocarditis and associated cytokine dysregulation.
 
Wow, the talk from Greg Hunt, The Australian Federal Government Health Minister was pretty remarkable. Congratulations to the Australian ME/CFS community - you've achieved amazing things.

Here's a transcript of it.

"Welcome everybody to today's Emerge ME/CFS International Research Symposium.

We know, and you know, that myalgic encephalomyelitis and chronic fatigue syndrome are major issues that can have a profound impact on individual and community life. 240,000 Australians at least have some form of ME or CFS. And, of those, a quarter can be housebound with the same impact on them as MS or any of the significant neurological conditions. So, it can be a crippling and a catastrophic diagnosis for an individual.

But it's often misunderstood, and the research is not as strong as in so many areas of our chronic conditions. So, I want to thank and congratulate everybody for being part of today.

I particularly want to acknowledge the ME/CFS community. Those from my electorate, those from around the country who have visited me within my portfolio's responsibilities and have made the case about the importance.

I agree, it's real, it's significant, it's important.

What we need therefore, is to provide opportunities for you as researchers, as professionals, to be able to deliver better results for patients. Therefore today I want to invite you to apply as part of the Medical Research Future Fund under the Clinical Trials Program to look where you believe there are treatments in different forms for patients. I think this absolutely meets the definition of an unmet need. And, secondly, to look through the Frontiers Science Programme at opportunities for a grand national project on ME/CFS.

I think this is an incredibly important area. And what we do can have an impact at the local level, for individuals and at the national level. And if Australian research leads the world, it can have an impact for patients right around the globe.

So, thank you for your work, for the individuals, for those that I've known, those that you know and for whom you care. For our broader community that can be profoundly affected by this, but also the capacity to know that your research and your discovery, whether it's through the NHMRC where they have recently established an Advisory Panel at my request for the first time to deal with this and to ensure it is given the prominence in NHMRC research analysis that it deserves, or through the Medical Research Future fund going forwards.

This is our hope and our moment and our opportunity to deal with ME and CFS on a national scale through our research opportunities in a way that has never been done before.

So, it's a moment of real hope and opportunity, backed by real funding.

I thank you and I honour you and I wish you well in your deliberations."
I think that signals a major shift. Again, well done to the Australian ME/CFS community, brilliant. @dave30th

This was one of the things ME Australia requested in our meetings with Minister Hunt, and he agreed to. While we were disappointed he wasn’t there in person, it was good he appeared by video.
 
Dr. Ron Davis of Stanford on the devastating impact of ME/CFS



"The patients have been ignored for a very long time. ... If you get ME/CFS your life as you know it is over, and that is really sad because it hits people in the prime of their life. ... It's an extremely serious disease."
 
All I have to say is, beware of doctors who think that fooling with your thyroid hormones can help you be "less fatigued." I ran into one of those before I was diagnosed in NZ. And they are everywhere. The current flavor of the month is giving you T3 or liothyronine. While stranded in the USA, because I developed POTS, I thought I would briefly give that a whirl, and I have hair loss now. If I had stayed in NZ, and had not become curious, that would not have happened. Oh well, there is not point in having regrets, I suppose. All any of want is to feel better. I am naturally curious but my specialist in NZ has always cautioned me against fooling around with thyroid hormone.
 
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