New Zealand: Covid-19 vaccinations for people with ME/CFS

ANZMES, one of the national ME/CFS charities here just emailed this out:
ANZMES asks experts for their recommendations on whether people with ME/CFS (pwME/CFS) should get the COVID-19 vaccine or not.

Dr. Ros Vallings, Howick Health & Medical Centre

COVID-19 can be a severe and debilitating disease which can lead to multi-organ damage and death in some people. If someone with ME/CFS catches COVID-19 it is likely to cause a significant exacerbation or relapse of their ME/CFS symptoms, as has been shown in the UK. Yet those experiencing a heightened immune system may be protected against catching viruses – although there is no guarantee. The Pfizer vaccine that is being administered in New Zealand is well studied and exceptionally safe and provides a high degree of protection. However, as with any vaccine some people with ME/CFS have an exacerbation of symptoms which overlap with the commonly reported side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines. A small percentage of people may have a more severe exacerbation of symptoms. I have many of my ME/CFS patients immunised now and not one has had a bad reaction to date. This may be because they used Dr. Nancy Klimas’ antihistamine suggestions which I recommend. I also provide a prescription for prednisone for patients to use if they get sicker, but it is not to be used long-term, and so far only one patient has needed it. For more information please read the recommendations on Dr. Vallings’ website: http://www.drvallings.co.nz/news-items/covid-19-vaccines

Emeritus Professor Warren Tate

I’m a strong advocate for vaccination of any family household member who is not health compromised as this provides protection for the unvaccinated, however I propose a cautious approach for all people with ME/CFS. This is because although the predictive analyses of immunologists might suggest the risk of ongoing relapse (of ME/CFS symptomatology) is small, the patient self-reporting suggests the risk is significant. For example if the person with ME/CFS experiences severe food allergies, chemical hypersensitivities, is prone to frequent debilitating relapses and has a significant compromised level of activity, then I would suspect a much higher risk in comparison to pwME/CFS who do not have these extra dimensions of the illness. In two international studies that came across my desk in regards to the Pfizer vaccine (administered here in NZ) after one dose, 10% reported severe effects on ME/CFS, 40% had mild-moderate effects and 50% had no effects. After the second dose, again 50% had no significant effects, yet nearly 30% had severe effects for at least one month, and 20% had moderate effects. Another study has reported 30% severe effects after the first dose. Anecdotally, of the three women in my university group who had the vaccine, one required hospitalisation for IV fluids after 2 weeks of being severely affected, another had two weeks of a moderate relapse and the third woman had no significant side effects. This seems to mirror the international patient reporting of the much larger groups, and made their results seem genuine to me. I believe therefore that I cannot provide a blanket recommendation for or against the vaccine, but rather believe that each individual should weigh up the decision based on their personal ME/CFS history. If pwME/CFS decide to vaccinate then I would suggest following Dr. Klimas’ antihistamine protocol.

Dr. Nancy Klimas, Nova Southeastern University

COVID kills people. It kills people with over-activated and damaged immune systems preferentially - and that is what ME/CFS is all about. So while there certainly is a risk for an ME relapse with these hyper reactive vaccines, you have to weigh the possibility of an ME relapse against the risk of death from COVID-19. For more information and for advice for people with mast cell activation syndrome visit: https://www.nova.edu/nim/To-Vaccinate-or-Not-with-MECFS.html

In conclusion from our experts

There is not a definitive answer about whether pwME/CFS should or should not get the COVID-19 vaccine. As the condition is highly individualised, so too, is the response to the vaccine. Some have no effects, some only the expected immune response, some experience improvement of symptoms, and some a worsening of symptoms or a relapse. So what is appropriate for the individual is best considered in conjunction with your GP or specialist who has access to your personal medical history.

Should you choose to vaccinate

Center for Disease Control (CDC) states that people with ME/CFS or fibromyalgia should rest for several days before and after the vaccine, as anecdotal information shows that symptoms can resurface while the immune system is activated. The CDC provide information on what to expect before and after your vaccine: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/expect/after.html

Dr. Lucinda Bateman, Bateman Horne Center states that pwME/CFS should be rested and stable prior to the vaccine, and plan on resting/relaxing for at least 72 hours afterward. Supportive care will include anything you usually do for flu symptoms, PEM, allergy flares, worsened orthostatic intolerance, etc. If anything, including a vaccine, makes you sick enough that you are unable to maintain adequate fluids and nutrition, or results in fluid and electrolyte losses (sweating, diarrhea, etc), it is always appropriate to seek IV fluids as a primary intervention.

Antihistamine Usage

Dr. Klimas suggests that before the vaccine, make sure you are taking enough antioxidants, particularly NAC or glutathione and CoQ10. Take an antihistamine before and for several days after the vaccine – the strongest one you can tolerate. Please note: that if you take the vaccine you should take the whole recommended dose, and the current vaccine Pfizer should be administered twice.

As always when dealing with medications and supplements please only do so under the direction of your General Practitioner or Medical Professional to ensure correct dosage administration and to avoid contraindications with your existing medications and personal medical history.

At this time, Covid-19 is just starting to spread in the country. Hopefully most people with ME/CFS will have already been vaccinated and this email won't have much impact on vaccination hesitancy. But I think it will give some people who have been feeling hesitant a reason to not be vaccinated. And it will feed prejudices against people with ME/CFS if they try to get vaccination exemptions.

I haven't followed the vaccination threads. Is there any evidence to support the ideas against vaccination for people with ME/CFS or the suggestions of taking antihistamine, antioxidants (NAC, glutathione, CoQ10) expressed here. What studies have there been on the impact of Covid-19 vaccinations on people with ME/CFS?

For background, I have had two Pfizer doses and did not experience any particularly remarkable side effects. I'm aware that some members have had different experiences. It's possible that my personal experience leads me to under-estimate the risk to people with ME/CFS.
 
My son found this CDC page for me
Interim Considerations: Preparing for the Potential Management of Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 Vaccination

Administration of antihistamines to COVID-19 vaccine recipients prior to vaccination to prevent allergic reactions is not recommended. Antihistamines do not prevent anaphylaxis, and their prophylactic use may mask cutaneous symptoms, which could lead to a delay in the diagnosis and management of anaphylaxis.
It does not sound as though taking antihistamines prior to vaccination is at all helpful, and may perhaps mask early symptoms for long enough for you to get out of the supervised waiting period and have your anaphylactic shock on your own, in your car.
 
My son found this CDC page for me
Interim Considerations: Preparing for the Potential Management of Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 Vaccination


It does not sound as though taking antihistamines prior to vaccination is at all helpful, and may perhaps mask early symptoms for long enough for you to get out of the supervised waiting period and have your anaphylactic shock on your own, in your car.

No one in Australia is getting any long term exemptions at all, which is concerning as in Victoria, the vaccine is basically mandatory - you can't get a hair cut without one, nor work.
In the case of anaphylaxis, you have to have an attack from both AZ and Pfizer before you are exempt (catch-22) even in people with prior history of anaphylaxis with intubation following an influenza vaccine (which shares ingredients with the AZ vaccine).
 
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Just thought I'd share this in case it is helpful.

Update on Vaccination Exemptions:
The info on vaccine exemptions on the MOH website was updated 9th Nov. It now specifically mentions that people with severe ME/CFS can get a vaccine exemption if they have a severe reaction to the first dose.

Refer Category 1B. Serious Adverse Event to previous dose (see screenshot and link below to criteria).
"A serious adverse event to previous dose... An adverse event is considered serious... if it... results in persistent or significant disability /incapacity"
The Examples given include 'severe ME/CFS'.

Below the criteria table it also states:
Other adverse events that have been reported to the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM), the Immunisation Advisory Centre (IMAC), or have been observed internationally include shingles, appendicitis, lymphadenopathy with or without fever, exacerbation of myalgic encephalomyelitis /chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), regional pain syndrome, and neurological events with localised arm pain. These events may or may not be related to the vaccine and it is generally advised to defer the second dose until the symptoms have fully resolved.

Refs:
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NOTES:
  • if you do have a severe reaction to the vaccine and it effects how you can look after yourself, your GP may be able to quickly arrange temporary personal cares and home support while you recover.
  • If you are having trouble getting your vaccination done, the Disability team at Healthline provide tailored bookings including assistance with coordinating transport to and from the vaccination site and arranging the necessary support/accommodations during the appointment. Perhaps even a home visit, if required. Call 0800 28 29 26 and push '2' (8am - 8pm 7 days a week)
 

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Possible research into fractionated doses of the pfizer vaccine for pwME

Fiona Charlton sent this information out this week:
Expressions of Interest

Dear all

You are welcome to distribute this to your members and should they have queries please contact us.

As you know ANZMES is currently requesting expressions of interest in participation in a potential research trial into fractionated doses. This was triggered by concerns from the community about adverse reactions to the vaccination. We are very fortunate to have Dr. Anna Brooks, Immunologist at the School of Biological Sciences, Faculty of Science, University of Auckland on the ANZMES executive committee as we are able to discuss potential solutions with her, and through her professional connections with IMAC, communicate the needs of the community.

Whether the research trial proceeds is dependent on many factors including community interest, funding, IMAC/MoH agreement, an appointed team of researchers, recruitment of participants with a clinical ME diagnosis, and all the usual approvals required to conduct research in New Zealand.

Please note that currently in New Zealand:
  • There are no lower doses of the Pfizer BioNTech Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) vaccine available for administration.
  • The administration of lower / fractionated doses is NOT approved
  • Research into the efficacy of fractionated doses for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 has NOT yet been conducted
  • No fractionated doses will be approved or administered to the wider public without government approval.
ANZMES is only determining whether there is sufficient demand within the ME/CFS community at the request of the community. These results will be reported back to IMAC via Dr. Anna Brooks, for their consideration.

ANZMES sponsors and supports research where possible but is mainly a facilitator of information dissemination.
For expert advice on vaccination visit: https://anzmes.org.nz/experts-talk-covid-19-vaccine-for-people-with-me-cfs/

People have previously been encouraged to complete the survey that ANZMES currently has open about vaccination experiences, concerns and interest in participating in research.
Refer - https://forms.gle/Ws61g7VTGRopBnUr5
 
Introduction
At the request of the ME/CFS community, ANZMES has issued a survey relating to reactions experienced by the community to the COVID-19 Pfizer BioNTech vaccine. ANZMES also sought to ascertain prevalence of Long COVID and COVID-19 infection in the community. The opportunity was also utilised for respondents to express interest in participating in a potential fractionated dosing trial.

This report contains preliminary findings for responses received from 21st October 2021 to 10th November 2021. This survey is still open to capture experiences after these dates, as vaccination decisions are ongoing.

Please note that this survey is classed as a self-report questionnaire which seeks to ascertain the subjective experience of people with ME/CFS and co-morbid conditions. The information collected is therefore anecdotal data. No clinical research has been conducted.

Respondents
  • 395 respondents identify with an ME/CFS diagnosis
  • 144 with Fibromyalgia (some overlap with ME/CFS)
  • 19 with COVID-19
  • 5 diagnosed with, and 32 suspect, Long COVID
The majority of respondents have a clinical diagnosis of ME, with 25 self-diagnosed. Most are unsure as to which diagnostic criteria for ME was used.

Some questions have less respondents, therefore numbers are indicated in the relevant sections.
https://anzmes.org.nz/tag/survey/
 
What are the advisories that have been put in place?


Obviously one must weigh the risk/benefit of the vaccine according to their own circumstances, but I would understand any pwME refusing it based on the large % of respondents who report a permanent worsening of symptoms.
 
I am concerned that unscientific surveys like this can easily give a false picture of the balance between risk from the vaccine versus risk from the disease.

People who have had an adverse reaction may be more likely to make sure they fill in surveys than those who had no or mild reaction.

ME/CFS fluctuates anyway, so a proper study would have to have a control group of unvaccinated pwME reporting worsening and relapses over the same time period.

And comparison would need to be made with pwME who catch covid and any adverse reactions to the disease.
 
“Other adverse events that have been reported to the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM), the Immunisation Advisory Centre (IMAC), or have been observed internationally include shingles, appendicitis, lymphadenopathy with or without fever, exacerbation of myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), regional pain syndrome, and neurological events with localised arm pain. These events may or may not be related to the vaccine and it is generally advised to defer the second dose until the symptoms have fully resolved”

There are strict criteria which are outlined before this statement which can be read here. https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/vaccine_temporary_medical_exemption_v1.2.pdf
 
And comparison would need to be made with pwME who catch covid and any adverse reactions to the disease.
This is something I've been wondering about. This isn't in relation to vaccines but is there any information on how people with ME who catch Covid fare in comparison to people who are healthy previous to catching Covid.

I guess there would be so many factors involved it would be difficult to determine this without a huge study so I've probably answered the question myself.
 
I have been rather concerned about the way ANZMES approached this whole thing. First they sent out a letter in which people, who many in the NZ ME/CFS community greatly respect and believe are experts in ME/CFS, raised the spectre of people with ME/CFS suffering greater than usual side effects. The letter also suggested pre-dosing and post-dosing anti-histamine regimes that are recommended against by the CDC. Then they asked people to fill out a survey asking people how they feel about the vaccinations, and what side effects they have experienced. And the survey is then used as evidence to suggest that the ME/CFS population is special and needs a study into an alternative delivery approach.

I think ANZMES has unnecessarily raised alarm in the ME/CFS community. The consequences of getting Covid-19 (or getting it without having been vaccinated) are likely to be rather worse than the consequences of being vaccinated. There is also the stigma that anyone who has not been vaccinated faces, particularly when in the medical system - adding to the stigma that an ME/CFS diagnosis already brings.

From the survey: 115 people who have been vaccinated had no change or temporarily worsened after the vaccinations. 20 improved. 48 worsened into a relapse - this isn't entirely unexpected, given the effort it can take to be vaccinated, including sometimes waiting and sitting for maybe an hour. 8 reported worsening 'beyond illness'. Perhaps that was because of the vaccination, perhaps it was because of the effort to get the vaccination, perhaps it was due to something else. Given that this was a self-selected relatively small sample of people, and the selection bias will be towards those people who feel the vaccinations harmed them, that is hardy a compelling case for widespread harm.

30 people had not been vaccinated at the time of them filling out the survey. Again, given the bias in the sample, this is not suggestive of a large portion of the population who are feeling concerned about vaccination. At least, not before they received ANZMES' communications.

With respect to the proposed study that this survey aimed to provide support for, I would not be at all surprised if the Ministry of Health was looking at ways to get vaccine hesitant people over the line. They may well be thinking 'if splitting the dosage over several vaccinations is what it takes, well, whatever'. So, they may be pleased to support the study, to see if an alternative delivery approach does give people protection. Maybe they are thinking 'if it works in people with ME/CFS, then the approach could be offered to other groups with vaccine hesitancy based on a concern about illness relapse, (mostly as a sop)'.

I wonder if the people of ANZMES have fully thought through how they will feel if someone, whose concerns about the vaccinations were amplified by the letter it sent out, is too scared to be vaccinated and then goes on to get Covid-19, and becomes very sick or even dies. Or if someone who is led to believe that the alternative delivery mechanism is necessary for them decides to wait to be part of the proposed trial, and, in the meantime, is similarly infected with Covid-19 and is either seriously ill themselves, or passes it on to their elderly parent carer, who becomes seriously ill. With Delta spreading around the country right now, these are not unrealistic scenarios.
 
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I was concerned about the survey - I’m one of the respondents who basically felt fine…. A slightly sore arm after the first dose only.
I’m quite sure that my recent deterioration is nothing to do with being vaccinated and totally due to trying to do more than I can sustain!
 
This isn't in relation to vaccines but is there any information on how people with ME who catch Covid fare in comparison to people who are healthy previous to catching Covid.

From a study by UK ME/CFS charities (follow the arrow to the post)
The initial findings, based on the first 220 responses, show clearly that Covid-19 had a significant impact on respondents. Over three quarters of the respondents said that Covid-19 made their ME symptoms worse. This impact appears to be long lasting, with over two thirds of respondents reporting that the worsening in symptoms has lasted more than 6 months and have still not resolved. Not only have existing symptoms worsened, but over 70% of respondents reported that they had developed new symptoms, including shortness of breath, chest pain and dizziness.
Also problems with selection in the UK survey too, I guess. But I don't think ANZMES has helped the people it aims to serve make a rational weighing of the evidence of potential harm.
 
I agree the sample is biased, I found the ME specialist and scientists reports both alarming and comforting. They are dependent on ME clinicians in USA and their advice has not undergo clinical trials just clinical experience. I agree they should have canvassed the whole community.

But no one knows the effect of the vaccine on a group who has known immune triggers to an illness. Unfortunately you can’t set up a prospective trial of a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic on such a vulnerable patient group, it’s unethical as this is a life saving and reduces morbidity. However when you have patient reports on morbidity like serious deterioration in their functioning, you have to start weighing all the risks and benefits. One thing is how socially isolated the person already is due to their illness and level of social contacts, and how stringent their social contacts are with preventative measures like mask wearing, social distancing and vaccination status.

There are medicolegal aspects here for our medical community and government within NZ, Once respected people speak out, reflecting on their own clinical and patients collective experiences, they can’t ignore it and need to offer advisories, as knowingly giving a treatment without that advice has legal and other consequences and costs.

Hooking it up to a clinical trial is very problematic. I am one of the group who have had a reaction to first Pfizer dose while in relapse and having to weigh up all the risks/benefits of having the second dose with my GP and my own clinical understanding of my ME and covid. I like the concept of fractionated doses, there is potential to be useful to know this information to help inform vaccination in our population. However, covid is not widespread yet in NZ and you signed up to a trial and might feel reluctant to break the trial process if you feel your exposure risk is too high and you get covid, not good. So people would need to have a lot of information before giving consent. This trial might not get ethical approval so waiting for them to sort it all out might not be a good strategy either.

CDC are doing a fractionated dose trial on healthy adults, to look at their antibody titres etc, the study results have not been released
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04852861
 
It was interesting to observe the different approaches some of the charities took in the UK and in NZ. In the UK they lobbied for early access to the vaccine, arguing that pwME are particularly vulnerable if catching the virus. In NZ they lobbied for an exemption from the vaccine mandate (only affects people working in certain jobs), arguing that pwME are particularly vulnerable to vaccine side effects. Of course both could be correct and the emphasis given to one or the other has undoubtedly a lot to do with the amount of virus circulating.

My sense is that in NZ a lot of people, probably subconsciously, still don't expect to actually catch the virus. So they just compare getting the vaccine with its risk of side effects against not getting the vaccine which obviously wouldn't have any side effects. Well, until you catch the virus that is, probably for Christmas the way things are going. Yet few people seem to be comparing the side effects of the vaccine against the effects of the virus, which strikes me as the more relevant comparison unless you can completely isolate for a very long time.

My guess is that ANZMES are being asked for advice and are trying to help by collating information and 'expert' opinion ('expert' because none of them are experts in vaccines nor, for that matter, experts in vaccines for pwME for the simple reason that there exists no solid evidence they could be experts in). What ANZMES fail to take into account is the emotional environment - which includes a lot of scared and scientifically illiterate people - that they unleash their incomplete information into. People who are already worried will just see that some people got worse from the vaccine and at that point their reasoning shuts down and they won't be doing a rational risk-benefit analysis anymore. It's a very difficult environment to communicate in. ANZMES did do a better job presenting the survey results with caveats than they've done in the past but I don't think they were clear enough for readers without scientific literacy.
 
I was very fortunate that after a few rough days I gained a temporary improvement. I estimate about 25 points on the MEA scale. Only from my first Pfizer. Gradually returned to baseline over about 5months. Usual autumn decline set in.

Managed to ‘walk in’ for booster on Saturday. I’m waiting to see now.

I have contacted a couple of charities about this but one didn’t respond even to a follow up email. I would like to find out more about why this could happen. My guess is maybe an autoimmune component?

The ANZME survey suggests 6 % temp improvement whereas others stretch to mid 20’s but the phrasing is usually quite poor. There was quite a lot about LC vaccine improvers in the media in the spring but it seems quiet now.
 
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