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Pacing to stay within exertion limits is a management strategy to try to prevent worsening by repeated crashes. I don't call it a 'treatment' because it is not correcting a biological cause of illness, but it is important harm prevention. If we stop pacing we get sicker. I think the difference of opinion here is over terminology, not whether pacing is vital for pwME.

It’s not just about terminology. If Utsikt says that pacing has “no influence over the disease trajectory”, that is very likely incorrect.

Even on the terminology level, while I understand what you’re saying and agree in a superficial sense, it’s still an imprecise way of looking at this. It completely ignores the temporal dimension of disease progression versus healing, especially in the early phase. This is potentially (not sayibg it is!) why PVFS is not the same as ME/CFS.

And yes, there may be biases in older observations, but if almost all of the old-school physicians with strong phenomenological skill and long clinical experience consistently reported that patients who rested (there was no concept of “pacing” or “spoons” then) had better chances of recovery, think Ramsay or Bell, that does matter. And if that's true, whatever the mechanism is, it must obviously be downstream of some biology.
 
It completely ignores the temporal dimension of disease progression versus healing, especially in the early phase. This is potentially (not sayibg it is!) why PVFS is not the same as ME/CFS.
Fair point. I agree with you on the early stages it may influence course and even prevent PVFS becoming long term ME/CFS. Hard to quantify. Many of us with ME/CFS wish we had been made to rest and pace really carefully in the early stages for this reason.
 
If you are a very severe patient and every step downward on the scale from mild toward worsening followed (post-) exertion - every single time over a 10 years timespan - then that is pretty good evidence.
That’s what I said: avoiding avoidable deterioration.
And “not interfering with the naturally occurring course”? What is that even supposed to mean, what’s your control group here?

If pacing has no influence on your or anyones disease course - why not go for a run then? Just because of a little bit of PEM in the aftermath?
You’re misunderstanding. That might be my fault.

Running on a broken leg is like exercising if you have PEM. It will make things worse.

Not running on a broken leg will not make the leg healing process of the leg move any faster. It won’t make the cells work at a higher tempo. That’s the natural course of a leg break.

So resting your leg avoids the avoidable deterioration, but it doesn’t make the leg heal faster compared to baseline, only faster compared to running on it.
Pacing might not be a treatment in the common sense but even that is an open question, because PVFS could be just better pacing early on eg.
Better as in «not deteriorating from doing too much», sure. But we do not know if pacing early on makes you less likely to have ME/CFS in two or five years. We don’t know if early over-exertion «locks in» ME/CFS.

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Regardless, this entire line of reasoning is redundant, as I’ll try to explain below. We don’t need to be able to say that pacing can affect the natural trajectory of the condition in order to be able to recommend pacing:

I think not pacing with PVF is a bad idea because the deconditioning you’ll experience isn’t causing the main symptoms and it can be reversed if you improve, so it isn’t much of a consideration.

If you do end up with having ME/CFS long term, pacing early will have helped you avoid the avoidable deterioration, which is clearly better than attempting to avoid a bit of relatively harmless deconditioning.

Unless you develop something like a sincere fear of activity, you’ll end up doing too much sometimes for various reasons, and the reaction to that will let you know with decent certainty if you’re improving or not. So there is usually no need for experimenting too much with more activity.

Pacing will also help avoid having to deal more than necessary with very bothersome symptoms. Although some might think it would be worth it, especially in the beginning when the contrast between recent good health and current bad health is crystal clear. Time helps you shift perspective and to some extent deal with the losses.

And I think this part can be deal with reasonably well if we had a healthcare system that wasn’t in complete denial.

Lots of people get help every day dealing with devastating medical diagnoses and prognoses, and they turn their lives completely upside down in an instant. Some won’t adapt regardless of what they have, but that shouldn’t stop us from recommending pacing. We can’t force anything upon anyone.

So no matter what you have, pacing early is probably optimal.
 

AI summary:

Status of the ME/CFS Action Plan in Austria​

Lack of a Unified Definition Delays Nationwide Care​

Introduction
The chronic illness ME/CFS, recognized by the WHO since 1969, remains insufficiently acknowledged and supported in Austria. Despite estimates of up to 80,000 affected people, patients still struggle with recognition, treatment and social security. Central obstacles include the absence of a unified diagnostic definition and delays in implementing the national action plan for post-acute infection syndromes.

Background on ME/CFS
ME/CFS can occur after infections such as Covid, influenza or Epstein-Barr. Its key symptom is post-exertional malaise, meaning that even minor physical or mental exertion can trigger long-lasting or permanent relapses. Although long known internationally, Austrian patients continue to face misdiagnoses, inappropriate activating therapies and a lack of social benefits.

Specialist Clinics: Slow but Visible Progress
According to Health State Secretary Ulrike Königsberger-Ludwig, several regions are working on establishing ME/CFS outpatient units. Existing funds from the financial equalisation scheme can already be used by the federal states. Projects are under way in Styria, Lower Austria, Vienna and Tyrol.
The Austrian Society for ME/CFS considers the planned unit at the University Hospital Graz, expected in 2026, to be the first true specialist clinic. Vienna plans a Long-Covid and ME/CFS outpatient centre for 2027. However, comprehensive nationwide care remains a distant goal, and even the State Secretary finds the pace slow.

Challenges with the Pensions Insurance Institution
The Pensionsversicherungsanstalt (PVA) often fails to recognise ME/CFS and post-exertional malaise in assessments, which can deprive patients of financial support. Königsberger-Ludwig acknowledges the need for better training and ongoing dialogue with the PVA so that patients feel taken seriously.
Training on ME/CFS in Austria remains voluntary, and the ministry cannot impose binding requirements. Current efforts rely on awareness-raising, while the State Secretary aims to integrate ME/CFS into medical curricula in the long term.

Stalled Action Plan
The action plan for post-acute infection syndromes, developed with experts and patients and presented in 2024, has not yet been implemented. The responsible committee within the national target control system has not approved it. The main reason is the lack of agreement on a precise definition of ME/CFS within the working group.
Without a unified definition, no reliable patient numbers can be established, making nationwide planning impossible. Existing estimates from the University of Vienna’s reference centre, suggesting 70,000 to 80,000 affected individuals, are based on international studies and German data, but the working group continues to wait for figures from the PVA and social insurance providers.

Outlook
The action plan is expected to be approved no earlier than the second quarter of 2026. Until then, and despite growing awareness, patients must continue to wait for adequate care and social support.
 

When LC remission stories read like inadvertent ads:
pwLC does exorbitantly expensive treatments beginning in summer – and still feels better.
Then a newspaper quickly shouts it out to the world so that many more sufferers feel the urge to go for it.
The rushed reporting would make sense if it was a brand new treatment but this just outright sucks.

AI Summary:
Young Woman from Randegg Finds Her Way Back to Life

After a COVID-19 infection in August 2022, 30-year-old Katrin Teufel from Randegg suffered from severe exhaustion, dizziness, circulatory problems and nausea.
Two rehabilitation stays and many therapies brought no breakthrough, and a second infection in October 2024 caused another setback.
At the start of this year, she could hardly live independently.
In June, examinations in Bayreuth revealed that autoantibodies were affecting central body functions.
A special immunoadsorption treatment and six weeks of oxygen therapy led to clear improvement.
Katrin can now shop, meet friends, visit a Christmas market, take walks and even ride a horse briefly, and she plans a cautious return to work via home office.
 
At least stories like this make a strong point about attributing improvement onto specific treatments, including rehabilitation and how it's what usually gets that coverage. In a sane world it would make a difference. It would change things.

Ah, to live in a sane world. What a fantasy.
 
(Paywall)

AI translation:
Helsana (health insurer) refuses to pay for Long Covid therapy – despite a Federal Supreme Court ruling

Christian Salzmann feels better after an expensive blood-cleansing treatment. However, the health insurer does not consider its benefits to be proven. The Covid patient is now heading back to court.

In brief:
  • Christian Salzmann has been fighting with Helsana for two years over coverage of the costs of his Long Covid therapy.
  • Despite a ruling by the Federal Supreme Court, Helsana continues to refuse reimbursement for a blood-cleansing procedure known as H.E.L.P. apheresis.
  • An expert report commissioned by Helsana questions the treatment’s effectiveness, while a counter-report confirms it.
  • The patient now has to go back to court once again.
 

An article about how Christmas ain‘t the same as a pwME.

AI Summary:
Long Covid Victim: “I Am Afraid of a Crash at Christmas”

Millions in Austria look forward to Christmas Eve, but for Michael G., a 45-year-old Long Covid patient, the day poses risks.

After a mild Covid infection in late summer 2022, the former senior manager at a well-known IT company has suffered nonstop for three years.

Once an avid motorcyclist, diver, and traveler, he now spends most of his time at home, permanently exhausted, sleeping up to 14 hours without feeling rested.

He was diagnosed with Long Covid and ME/CFS and advised to forget about work for the foreseeable future.

Michael G. lives almost in lockdown, carefully rationing energy for his partner and seven-year-old daughter.

Social events, including Christmas, must be strictly limited due to fear of post-exertional malaise, a “crash” that can last weeks.

His illness’s outcome remains uncertain.
 
Would love to see the counter report that confirms it’s effective.
It's definitely the right decision to make, but what the hell does that say about totally ineffective treatments being standard? It's nothing to do with being effective. It's decisions like this that make it clear that efficacy is more of a matter of opinion in those decisions. This here is the right decision, and it's the same decision they should be applying to useless rehabilitation.

Decisions like this don't have to be perfect but they at least should be coherent, except nothing about psychosomatic ideology is coherent so coherence is mostly a vibes thing.
 

AI Summary:
Salzburg to Establish Central Access Point for Long Covid (ME/CFS) Patients

From 2026, people in Salzburg suffering from ME/CFS, Long Covid and other post-acute infectious syndromes will receive improved care through a new three-tier healthcare model. Implemented by the State of Salzburg together with the Austrian Health Insurance Fund, the medical profession and Tauernklinikum, the model’s core is a specialized access point at Tauernklinikum Zell am See.

Primary care physicians handle initial assessment, early detection and referrals. The new clinic provides secondary care, including advanced diagnostics, interdisciplinary evaluation and individualized outpatient treatment while coordinating further care. Severe and chronic cases will receive tertiary inpatient care in cooperation with nationwide facilities.

The center will be integrated into existing hospital structures and led by expert René Wenzel. Financing for 2026 is secured. Telemedicine, mobile teams and gradual expansion across Salzburg are planned, alongside cooperation with the national reference center at MedUni Vienna.
 
Propably the same as in Vienna, since they work closely together. Here an example:

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All experimentel.
This is similar to what the Bio doctors in switzerland are finding trendy.

I was offered and declined IVIG the other week. Couldn’t find any indication there would be a benefit worth risking PEM for. (The only well done RCT found null result).
 
This is similar to what the Bio doctors in switzerland are finding trendy.

I was offered and declined IVIG the other week. Couldn’t find any indication there would be a benefit worth risking PEM for. (The only well done RCT found null result).
I think JE et al mentioned IVIG as possibly being worth trialing by researchers in their hypothesis paper, but from what I've heard it's so exhausting and gives a lot of side effects I think it's wise not to risk PEM without any evidence of efficacy.
 
I think JE et al mentioned IVIG as possibly being worth trialing by researchers in their hypothesis paper, but from what I've heard it's so exhausting and gives a lot of side effects I think it's wise not to risk PEM without any evidence of efficacy.
I guess it depends. I have tried lots of heavy medications so far and I barely ever saw any side effects. MECFS specialized doctors tell me that women tend to be way more sensitive to side effect than typical males. Consequently all knowledgeable docs I consulted claim that the risk of IVIG would be very moderate for me (m38). They do not explicitly recommend it due to weak evidence but they agree that if it's affordable it is a reasonable option. They do also state that for many of their MCAS-type MECFS patients which are often female this would be way too risky. I hope to be able to give it a shot soon.
 
I don't remember suggesting IVIG as likely to be useful on theoretical grounds. I think the theoretical grounds are zero. The only question is whether trials show useful benefit and the general consensus is that they don't.

A major reason for not using IVIG without evidence is that there is a shortage of supply for people who genuinely need IVIG to stay alive - people with congenital Ig deficiencies. I personally think it is unethical to suggest IVIG is used for other things unless there is strong evidence.

All human products like IVIG also carry risks of things like viral and prion disease. We think we know how to screen for these but we have repeatedly been wrong about that - with AIDS, Hepatitis C, Mad Cow Disease etc..
 
I don't remember suggesting IVIG as likely to be useful on theoretical grounds. I think the theoretical grounds are zero. The only question is whether trials show useful benefit and the general consensus is that they don't.

A major reason for not using IVIG without evidence is that there is a shortage of supply for people who genuinely need IVIG to stay alive - people with congenital Ig deficiencies. I personally think it is unethical to suggest IVIG is used for other things unless there is strong evidence.

All human products like IVIG also carry risks of things like viral and prion disease. We think we know how to screen for these but we have repeatedly been wrong about that - with AIDS, Hepatitis C, Mad Cow Disease etc..
Oh, I just checked the treatments section of your hypothesis paper and you're right, you didn't. Don't know why I thought that. My mistake!
 
Oh, I just checked the treatments section of your hypothesis paper and you're right, you didn't. Don't know why I thought that. My mistake!
IIRC there was a thread on S4ME a year or so ago where Jonathan mused about a certain mechanism and said if that mechanism was true it might explain marginal effects of IVIG.

I don‘t think you imagined it out of thin air. But I may be wrong as well.
 
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