Advice from 'experts' on post-viral fatigue following Covid-19 (NHS Oxford Health, Science Media Centre, ...)

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  1. Kalliope

    Kalliope Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Trial By Error: My FOI Letter about Oxford's Post-COVID-19 Fatigue Pamphlet

    These are my questions:
    1. What is the “psychosocial response group,” which is credited on the cover of the pamphlet? I have searched for the term on the site and nothing comes up. How many people are members of this group, and what are their professional qualifications and/or medical specialties? When was this group established, and what is its official mandate? What else has it done?
    2. Can you provide a list of the peer-reviewed studies and related scientific documentation used to generate the material in the pamphlet specifically about chronic fatigue syndrome, including risk factors for the illness, diagnostic criteria, management strategies and treatment?
     
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    Found them!!

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  3. Caroline Struthers

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    I wrote (again) to the Cochrane Independent Advisory Group email address. This group, led by Hilda Bastian, will be overseeing an update of the Exercise for CFS review. https://community.cochrane.org/orga...eholder-engagement-high-profile-reviews-pilot. I have been calling for a withdrawal of the review, along with many others, for some time. According to Cochrane's own policy, if following the conclusions of a review may result in harm to patients, then it should be withdrawn.

    Dear Hilda

    Here is a recent example of “following the conclusions of a Cochrane review” with no reference to any shortcomings in the evidence. https://www.oxfordhealth.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/OH-011.20-Coronavirus-and-fatigue-v2.pdf. They have obviously not read the latest amendment of the review which acknowledged at least to some extent the low quality of the evidence. They have not given any references to any the evidence to support their claim that CBT and GET are effective. Please will you or Cochrane contact Oxford Health Psychosocial Response Team immediately alerting them to the review amendment, and ask them to withdraw their misleading pamphlet?

    Best

    Caroline

    PS I posted to you and Cochrane on Twitter just now as well https://twitter.com/user/status/1251107254679605248
     
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  4. PhysiosforME

    PhysiosforME Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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  5. 2kidswithME

    2kidswithME Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thanks Caroline, and everyone else who is calling them out on this. Just when you think it can’t get any worse.... :banghead:
     
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    Fantastic work, thank you so much @PhysiosforME and all the signatories of the letter. I hope it succeeds.
     
  8. Peter Trewhitt

    Peter Trewhitt Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Thank you @PhysiosforME a great piece of work making the important points clearly and concisely.
     
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  9. Andy

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  10. 2kidswithME

    2kidswithME Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    I see 35 references, compared with zero in the leaflet! Well done to the team behind it. MEA reports the leaflet has been taken down now.
     
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    2kidswithME Established Member (Voting Rights)

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    has anyone saved a copy of the leaflet for reference?
     
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  12. Andy

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  15. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    yes I had, and I'm glad to see others did also. Now I'll even be more interested to get the answers to my FOI questions.
     
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    JemPD Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    @PhysiosforME That letter is a thing of beauty! It made my day thanks so much :)
     
  17. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    :thumbup: brilliant. Thank you so much @PhysiosforME & everyone involved!


    I checked & discovered it's still available via the link from Worcestershire -

    https://www.hacw.nhs.uk/covid19/

    Any ideas how to get it removed from here too?
     
  18. dave30th

    dave30th Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    good catch. I assume then it might still be available all over if it's been copied to other sites.
     
  19. rvallee

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    Good thing it was taken down. Horrible timing to push out disinformation when it is critical for the public to trust experts. Especially given the behaviorists being behind the horrible herd immunity strategy.

    Destroying the very idea of expertise by promoting ideology in a pandemic is just about the worst possible use of health care resources I can think of. These people never think of the consequences of giving their opinions and beliefs false credibility, that's about the only reliable thing about this school of thought.
     
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