Psychological Stress and Mitochondria: A Systematic Review Picard, Martin PhD; McEwen, Bruce S. PhD

Keela Too

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Mitochondria are apparently now part of the psychosomatic construct!

https://journals.lww.com/psychosoma...chological_Stress_and_Mitochondria___A.3.aspx

Building from established models where psychosomatic processes are known to operate, incorporating mitochondrial measures in study designs should accelerate the progression of our understanding around the interaction of mitochondria with the broad-acting brain-immune-endocrine processes that affect health outcomes. This joining of disciplines under a shared “psycho-mito-somatic” framework, as discussed in the joint article in this issue of Psychosomatic Medicine (21), should simultaneously promote a more holistic understanding of the processes that precipitate dysregulation and disease within the organism, and of the mechanisms that enable healthy individuals to successfully adapt to life challenges.

Thanks to Amanda on Facebook for finding this.
 
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PMS - another acronym to add to the growing list to struggle with:rolleyes:. PsychoMitoSomo - in a sing-song style. Yes, that's how I'll remember it :whistle:

I can't claim to have read the whole thing, or understood some of what I did read, but the paragraphs describing the inherent limitations of the animal studies which they say need to be addressed in the future were interesting.

"The studies using prolonged stressors (e.g., restraint for >8 hours) do not always specify whether such duration prevented normal feeding/drinking, which could either counteract or further exaggerate some effects of stress on mitochondrial functions. e) Restraint stress paradigms commonly used could be construed as a “physical” stressor, and consequently, the mitochondrial changes reported may reflect physical rather than psychological stress."

ETA. This sounds like useless cruelty to me :mad:
 
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Excellent, a meta analysis, the perfect way to squeeze the truth from data :bored:
It may be correct but its probably more accurate to say prolonged stress hormones and chemicals cause negative externalities in the body (as if thats a revelation).
 
I can already see how studies where animals are restrained will be used to "explain" mitochondrial abnormalities in humans.

I'm also not sure about categorizing chronic restraint as psychological stress.
 
They literally are proposing that psychological stress may mutate the mitochondrial DNA:
The mtDNA does not have loose ends and thus does not contain telomeres, the DNA-protein complexes that cap the end of chromosomes in the nucleus (33). The mtDNA also lacks introns and is more susceptible to damage in comparison to the nuclear genome (34), which may explain its greater vulnerability to damage with aging, and possibly with chronic stress.

No humans involved in these studies, which also makes their relevance far less likely:
There were no human study with induced psychosocial stress monitoring mitochondrial function, so all studies included are in animal models.

Changes in DNA were not outcomes in any studies:
Only studies directly measuring at least one aspect of mitochondrial function (e.g., respiration, respiratory chain enzymatic activity, and ROS production), or electron microscopy studies quantifying changes in mitochondrial morphology or structure, were included

Most of the stressors included a substantial physical factor:
The stressors most frequently used was chronic restraint stress (e.g., 21 consecutive days of physical restraint, 2 hours per day; 38%), followed by chronic unpredictable stress (e.g., 40 consecutive days with alternating novel environmental exposures on each day; 33%) and acute restraint stress (e.g., a single bout of physical restraint lasting 30–120 minutes; 21%).

How the mitochondria were assessed:
In 46% of studies, mitochondrial function and integrity were most often measured via respiratory chain enzymatic activity, which can be assessed on frozen tissues (73). Other outcomes included oxygen consumption (33%), quantitative electron microscopy (29%), membrane potential (13%), ATP synthesis (13%), and ROS production (8%). Mitochondrial DNA copy number, which is not a measure of mitochondrial function, was measured in 9% of studies.

Table 1 lists the results of various studies, and it's pretty suggestive of false positive results - sometimes there's increased respiration in response to stress, sometimes it's decreased. Sometimes mitochondrial size increases, sometimes it decreases, and sometimes it stays the same. Sometimes respiratory chain activity increases, sometimes it decreases. Sometimes the results on the some measurement in the same study are only different based on subgrouping, which is usually the result of post-hoc cherry picking.

Table 2 lists associations between various mitochondrial-related measurements and mood disorders or history of abuse, in 6 studies involving humans. Results are a bit mixed again, and the more obvious explanation is that mitochondrial dysfunction causes the symptoms of mood disorders in those patients, combined with retrospective recall bias regarding childhood trauma (who also had increased inflammation). I find it amusing that they have flipped the usual cause and effect (genes cause disease) to call that "reverse causation" in ceding it might be a possibility:
Whether psychological symptoms (e.g., anhedonia and sadness in major depression) cause changes in mtDNA, or whether changes in mtDNA reflect an underlying pathophysiological state that contributes to psychological symptoms (i.e., reverse causation), remains to be determined.

They refer to autism as a "psychopathology," which seems a good indication that they have been living in a cave and will continue to do so until it collapses on them:
Another study targeted caregiver women who care for a child with autism spectrum disorder, which is a psychopathology that fosters elevated levels of psychological distress in the caregivers given its detrimental impact in various life domains of the child (e.g., persistent deficits in social communication, stereotyped or repetitive behaviors and interests).

My overall impression is that not only can we use the powers of our minds to grow hand-claws, we can also alter our genomes through sheer force of will and pass on those hand-claws to the next generation :emoji_crab::emoji_crab::emoji_crab: I'd be shocked that this study ever got published, but it's a psychosomatic journal and scientific standards are likely completely irrelevant :rolleyes:
 
My overall impression is that not only can we use the powers of our minds to grow hand-claws, we can also alter our genomes through sheer force of will and pass on those hand-claws to the next generation :emoji_crab::emoji_crab::emoji_crab: I'd be shocked that this study ever got published, but it's a psychosomatic journal and scientific standards are likely completely irrelevant :rolleyes:
I wonder if David Marks would be interested in this?

And I appreciate not everyone would have the same visceral reaction depending on their sensibilities... but the 'restraint' stressors on animals sounded horrific. ("The stressors most frequently used was chronic restraint stress (e.g., 21 consecutive days of physical restraint, 2 hours per day; 38%), followed by chronic unpredictable stress (e.g., 40 consecutive days with alternating novel environmental exposures on each day; 33%) and acute restraint stress (e.g., a single bout of physical restraint lasting 30–120 minutes; 21%).")
 
Excellent, a meta analysis, the perfect way to squeeze the truth from data :bored:
Until none is left.
I can already see how studies where animals are restrained will be used to "explain" mitochondrial abnormalities in humans.

I'm also not sure about categorizing chronic restraint as psychological stress.
Presumably restraint itself can provoke physical responses? e.g. Trying to break free; moving to and fro as captive animals often do it they have enough room for that; etc.
 
Presumably restraint itself can provoke physical responses? e.g. Trying to break free; moving to and fro as captive animals often do it they have enough room for that; etc.

I'm worried about a chinese whispers effect where the original message is distorted:

"Restrained or mistreated mice show alterations in mitochondrial function" becomes "psychological stress affects mitochondrial function", which becomes "abnormal mitochondrial function is also psychological", which becomes "we don't need to study or treat abnormal mitochondrial function because we know it's psychological", which becomes "CBT is a miracle treatment that can fix your mitochondria".
 
I'm worried about a chinese whispers effect where the original message is distorted:

"Restrained or mistreated mice show alterations in mitochondrial function" becomes "psychological stress affects mitochondrial function", which becomes "abnormal mitochondrial function is also psychological", which becomes "we don't need to study or treat abnormal mitochondrial function because we know it's psychological", which becomes "CBT is a miracle treatment that can fix your mitochondria".
If only they used this power for good instead of evil
 
The BPSers like to torture humans, so there should be a comparative study. With our two ideas hopefully we can get double the seed funding. :emoji_face_palm:

I don't know much science, but this all seems pointless. If you want to study people who are physically restrained, and in stressful situations, it's not like there is a lack of options.

At least they keep the facepalm emote designers employed, I guess.
 
I don't know much science, but this all seems pointless. If you want to study people who are physically restrained, and in stressful situations, it's not like there is a lack of options.

At least they keep the facepalm emote designers employed, I guess.
Thats my point, they are harming us in the cause of lies. I would personally like to see them face a courtroom but even when we have a biomarker and become like MS or diabetes its very unlikely they will face consequences for their crimes against humanity :cry:
 
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