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Psychological well-being and illness perceptions in patients with hypopituitarism, Knoop et al, 2021

Discussion in 'Other psychosomatic news and research' started by John Mac, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. John Mac

    John Mac Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    About hypopituitarism but mentions chronic fatigue syndrome.
    Knoop is among the researchers.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11102-021-01131-w
     
  2. Trish

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    I can't help wondering whether medical care and research would be improved if questionnaires were banned. Doctors might have to actually listen to patient and do proper investigations and work hard to find objective ways of measuring outcomes.
     
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    unicorn7 Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    Wow, I just... can not..:banghead:

    well, at least we are not only ones who are improperly psychologised anymore:laugh:
     
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    Perhaps they should be allowed but only on condition that the psychiatrists or therapists provide responses to similar questionnaires to enable the patient to assess whether the "caregiver" is of suitable disposition, character, experience and qualification to reasonably provide for the patient's needs.
     
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    Thank you for making me laugh, @chrisb.
     
  6. Cheshire

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    This is so judgemental, it shouldn't be allowed in a questionnaire.
     
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    To "objectify":
    verb
    1. degrade to the status of a mere object.
      "a deeply sexist attitude that objectifies women"

    2. express (something abstract) in a concrete form.
      "good poetry objectifies feeling"
    Definitely the first one. Not a single objective question in any of those biased generic questionnaires.

    A smart person would conclude that whatever is used to rate "normalization" is obviously insufficient. A not-smart person would make bizarre assumptions and argue that they are adding objectivity by having people answer vague biased questionnaires of no relevance to the circumstances.

    And yeah, "inadequacy of thinking" is so absurd. Not the fact that someone that Knoop would argue this but that it is a valid concept with a "standard" questionnaire and passes peer review as not being absurdly judgmental and of no scientific value.

    They never wonder why their patients always attribute to physical causes. Even when there is a known physiological explanation they still refuse that it must be a valid, showing clear evidence of pervasive refusal to accept reality and false attribution syndrome, assigning blame onto imaginary causes instead of the obvious.
     
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    The phrase

    In a paper co authored by

    For some reason the term "projection" springs to mind.
     
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    What they are implying here is that these people are somatisers.
     
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  10. Joan Crawford

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    These exist and can easily be used
     
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    Joan Crawford Senior Member (Voting Rights)

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    I suspect that they are trying to clumsily grasp the cognitive problems patients face. Aka the brain fog type symptoms. Not read the paper. Life is too short.
     
  12. Joan Crawford

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    One wonders if this type of cheap, quick research is being done to empire build as a way of providing 'evidence' that patients might benefit from our old friend CBT. That'd be my cynical thinking in that respect. Mc research leading to superficial Mc therapy 'solution'.

    As for these types of questionnaires they ideally should only be used as a guide to facilitate assessments and perhaps periodic monitoring of interventions (medical and psychological) where appropriate and in partnership with patients. And ideally with objective measures too. They are guides. That is their limit. Facilitate a discussion often. And they should be discussed with patients as misunderstandings happen all the time. Errors are frequent.

    Dishing out a load of questionnaires and creating a paper claiming it tells the world something meaningful is a nonsense. Complete absence of the patients voice. Researchers take all the power to interpret the 'findings' whether this has any resemblance to patients difficulties or suffering. But it was probably a cheap MSc or PhD

    Weirdly if my cynical response about this is their 'game', then they fail (due to the obvious above) but also because it pretty clearly says to me: until we know what causes (insert medical condition), what the disease mechanisms are, when the first thing we find we correct in an effort to help/recover, is very far from the full picture. Medics are making a good effort with the tools they currently have. But there is much work to do. That's pretty much it. It's clear there remain ongoing difficulties for the patients and that needs figuring out. Pretty clear that delving into patients psychology will not be the answer
     
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    I don't wish it upon other disease groups, but the massive over reach currently underway from the BPS empire builders is likely to (eventually) work in our favour.

    You can get away with gaslighting and marginalising and pissing off a relatively small number of patients with a specific disease. But much harder to do so for large numbers across many disease categories.
     
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    Perhaps we should do a study using questionnaires to find out? ;)
     

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