RCPsych International Congress 2026 : Carson, Garner and Chalder on Post-Covid Condition (PCC)

Sly Saint

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The 2026 International Congress will take place on Monday 15 - Thursday 18 June at the Convention Centre at Liverpool Experience Campus.

Monday 15th June:
10.00am – 11.15am

Understanding and treating the Post-COVID Condition(PCC)​

Chair: Dr Sridevi Sira Mahalingappa, South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust, London and Dr Muj Husain, Consultant Liaison Psychiatrist, South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust

What are the cognitive problems, as well as markers of brain damage, inflammation, and underlying degenerative brain disease

Professor Alan Carson, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh

Personal experience of post-infectious fatigue and treatment evidence for post-COVID condition.

Emeritus Professor Paul Garner, University of Liverpool, Liverpool

Cognitive behaviour therapy for Post-COVID condition – patient-reported outcomes from a routine specialist clinic

Professor Trudie Chalder, King's College London, London

 
If anyone in or around Liverpool is willing to participate in direct action before or during the presentations, or has connections to someone that is, I will reimburse their conference day pass (non-psychiatrists are admitted.)

Reply or DM and let's plan.
Bagsy not me, it’s bad enough I occasionally see him on a rare trip “out and about”.
Has he cured himself of the shortest ever Long Covid again now, or is it ME again that he might have had before he got Covid when he was perfectly healthy, it’s so hard to make sense of the nonsense.
 
I think if I were to go (which I won’t) the question I’d like to ask would be-

Given the circumstances outlined by Garner as to how he achieved full recovery via brain training (or whatever it’s called) then isn’t it the case that Chalder’s body of work on pacing and GET is entirely debunked?

They can’t both be right, can they?

If Garner had instead followed Chalder’s advice he wouldn’t have recovered.
 
That's interesting, but I think at this point the CBT/GET peoples have somehow forged an alliance with the LP/Gupta/etc peoples to fight against the biomedical peoples.

I may be mistaken, but I got the impression that Crawley’s awful LP study was a turning point. I expected it would be the reductio ad absurdum of the standard BPS/PACE experimental design, however the BPS coterie instead squared the circle by embracing LP and brain training, and the LP mob obviously in turn embraced the credibility given by these established researchers/clinicians.
 
I think if I were to go (which I won’t) the question I’d like to ask would be-

Given the circumstances outlined by Garner as to how he achieved full recovery via brain training (or whatever it’s called) then isn’t it the case that Chalder’s body of work on pacing and GET is entirely debunked?

They can’t both be right, can they?

If Garner had instead followed Chalder’s advice he wouldn’t have recovered.
They already have their excuses worked out for this: every case is unique and special and what works for some doesn't work for everyone.

This is the literal argument the Norwegian government made in their recent disability case featuring Flottorp, how it should be up to the patient to have to try everything that hasn't been shown to be ineffective (proving a negative, which is famously impossible). Even if the patients are refused things they can't do on their own. They used the movie Brazil as a model, a trap of insanity.

Their model is based on infinite possibilities with infinite assumptions, hence why every patient is a unique snowflake with issues and solutions that have to be worked out uniquely (or in groups, or in apps, or it doesn't matter because their whole thing is vague and generic anyway). It could be simple and quick, like Garner's manly thoughts, or a very long and arduous process with, uh, childhood trauma, or whatever.

The ideology can never fail, it can only be failed. If someone doesn't recover it's because they haven't found that special problem they have, the "aha!" moment that is needed to get back on track. And this is how they can get away with extensive therapy and rehab lasting for years not being a problem with the fact that most people recover from those illnesses early on, or Garner's "one phone call" BS. And why their stuff is compatible with ear seeds and other blatant scams.

There is no winning an argument here, it's not a debate, there is nothing to debate when you have all the power and time is entirely on your side. There is no amount of showing hypocrisy, contradictions or data falsifying the assumptions in their models, such as cortisol and how it's the "stress hormone" that will make any difference. It doesn't matter. People can't be reasoned out a position they didn't use reason to adopt, psychosomatic ideology was never a reasonable model, it was only ever bigotry and unaccountable hubris.

We face an even more impossible task than deprogramming people out of QANon, because this ideology is supreme and has a long tradition of being so. It would be more like deprogramming the entire country of North Korea, while the ruling party is in charge. Sisyphus had an easy task compared to this.
 
I may be mistaken, but I got the impression that Crawley’s awful LP study was a turning point. I expected it would be the reductio ad absurdum of the standard BPS/PACE experimental design, however the BPS coterie instead squared the circle by embracing LP and brain training, and the LP mob obviously in turn embraced the credibility given by these established researchers/clinicians.
While there is a major renewable of the GET approach because of Long Covid, which requires deconditioning to be valid, but it's all happening without anyone bothering to even explain any part of it. It's not reductio ad absurdum, it's just pure, undiluted absurdum.

No one has to explain anything anymore. It's 'pragmatic', they just know. They can't show you, but they see it work. This, they call evidence-based medicine.
 
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